Momentum is building for industrial action
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Hey lets all do what the LEP's did and SO"s did, Come to CX City for a meeting with the management..........All 2600 of us, less those flying. And hopefully non AOA members too. Lets grow balls.
We NEED better terms!! AOA is doing well, lets support them and encourage our non AOA friends too.
Not work to rule, ACTION
We NEED better terms!! AOA is doing well, lets support them and encourage our non AOA friends too.
Not work to rule, ACTION
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Some of us non-members have reason to suspect who exactly is being represented by AOA. When certain AOA functionaries are notorious for ratting on their fellow crew members to management, does this create a spirit of camaraderie? A desire to "pull together"?
Anyone heard of something called a professional standards committee? That is the proper alternative to ratting people out to management. Look it up.
In the meantime, pass the rat poison...
Anyone heard of something called a professional standards committee? That is the proper alternative to ratting people out to management. Look it up.
In the meantime, pass the rat poison...
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DXO,
That is all well and good, and I'm not doubting you, but for us AOA members it would be more useful if you would elaborate. Nobody likes a rat, but baseless or empty rumors don't do anyone any good. Let us know what you are talking about.
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That is all well and good, and I'm not doubting you, but for us AOA members it would be more useful if you would elaborate. Nobody likes a rat, but baseless or empty rumors don't do anyone any good. Let us know what you are talking about.
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Not baseless...well known fact.
Names not as important as the message...if you seek to rally the troops, make sure this crap does not continue. It should go without saying that this behavior is unacceptable for any pilot, let alone a union leader, but apparently it needs to be said. Perhaps it would be worth getting the word out to the membership?
Names not as important as the message...if you seek to rally the troops, make sure this crap does not continue. It should go without saying that this behavior is unacceptable for any pilot, let alone a union leader, but apparently it needs to be said. Perhaps it would be worth getting the word out to the membership?
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And how do we know you're not management, DXO? Making accusations while hiding behind a wall of anonymity trying to discredit those who volunteer their time to better the conditions of all.
If you've got a legitimate case, then why don't you join and make your objection known? You could even have formally objected to whoever you've got in mind getting elected in the first place.
But maybe posting slander on PPRuNe seemed like a better way to do things. Something the professional standards committee would surely approve of.
If you've got a legitimate case, then why don't you join and make your objection known? You could even have formally objected to whoever you've got in mind getting elected in the first place.
But maybe posting slander on PPRuNe seemed like a better way to do things. Something the professional standards committee would surely approve of.
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And how do we know you're not management, DXO? Making accusations while hiding behind a wall of anonymity trying to discredit those who volunteer their time to better the conditions of all.
If you've got a legitimate case, then why don't you join and make your objection known? You could even have formally objected to whoever you've got in mind getting elected in the first place.
But maybe posting slander on PPRuNe seemed like a better way to do things. Something the professional standards committee would surely approve of.
Quadspeed:
First of all, I don't require your approval as to how I choose to express myself.
Second, you are obviously quite naive if you can't imagine why I would want to remain anonymous.
Third, sad to say, my post is not slander. The truth hurts. Deal with it.
If you've got a legitimate case, then why don't you join and make your objection known? You could even have formally objected to whoever you've got in mind getting elected in the first place.
But maybe posting slander on PPRuNe seemed like a better way to do things. Something the professional standards committee would surely approve of.
Quadspeed:
First of all, I don't require your approval as to how I choose to express myself.
Second, you are obviously quite naive if you can't imagine why I would want to remain anonymous.
Third, sad to say, my post is not slander. The truth hurts. Deal with it.
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Multiple offenders.
You don't need the names to address the issue. It'd be easy enough for the AOA to issue a general cease and desist order to membership. This would be a positive step that would send an encouraging message of unity.
Believe me, ratting out a fellow pilot would be unacceptable/unheard of at any real professional union. I was just trying to explain one reason why some of us don't trust the AOA. The responses so far are not exactly reassuring me...
You don't need the names to address the issue. It'd be easy enough for the AOA to issue a general cease and desist order to membership. This would be a positive step that would send an encouraging message of unity.
Believe me, ratting out a fellow pilot would be unacceptable/unheard of at any real professional union. I was just trying to explain one reason why some of us don't trust the AOA. The responses so far are not exactly reassuring me...
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Brown Noser...
Brown Nose:
Particularly good name for you...
If you can't understand what I'm saying then you really are pathetic.
I'm not going to name names, and I doubt it would make a difference anyway. You are clearly just looking for an excuse to keep your head well buried in the sand.
Oh, and watch your effing manners. Where the hell do you get off telling me to crawl back in my hole? I'm trying to alert your "organization" to an issue you should be concerned with. Instead you choose to attack the messenger in terms that would get you punched in the nose if you spoke that way offline.
Still not impressed...
Particularly good name for you...
If you can't understand what I'm saying then you really are pathetic.
I'm not going to name names, and I doubt it would make a difference anyway. You are clearly just looking for an excuse to keep your head well buried in the sand.
Oh, and watch your effing manners. Where the hell do you get off telling me to crawl back in my hole? I'm trying to alert your "organization" to an issue you should be concerned with. Instead you choose to attack the messenger in terms that would get you punched in the nose if you spoke that way offline.
Still not impressed...
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DXO,
You haven't alerted anyone to anything. All you are trying to do is stir the pot, or seek justification for your non-member status. I wish you would become a member and air your concerns in a way that is conductive to improving the organization. If you can't do that, refuse to give any details, and continue to spout empty vitriol, then please go elsewhere. We have too much on our plate to bother with your "ideas".
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You haven't alerted anyone to anything. All you are trying to do is stir the pot, or seek justification for your non-member status. I wish you would become a member and air your concerns in a way that is conductive to improving the organization. If you can't do that, refuse to give any details, and continue to spout empty vitriol, then please go elsewhere. We have too much on our plate to bother with your "ideas".
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Boxjockey:
Sorry you can't accept my radical "idea" that crew members (especially union members!) should not report each other to management for perceived lapses in performance, attitude, or demeanor.
You're right, you've got much more important things to think about. Like trying to recruit membership in an organization that doesn't think this kind of backstabbing behavior is a serious issue.
This sort of crap would not be accepted by a real union.
Sorry you can't accept my radical "idea" that crew members (especially union members!) should not report each other to management for perceived lapses in performance, attitude, or demeanor.
You're right, you've got much more important things to think about. Like trying to recruit membership in an organization that doesn't think this kind of backstabbing behavior is a serious issue.
This sort of crap would not be accepted by a real union.
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Yes!
Somebody, somewhere. Did something, to someone. The sky is truly falling.
DXO, give the laptop back to your father and let the grown-ups talk. We've got real issues to deal with.
Somebody, somewhere. Did something, to someone. The sky is truly falling.
DXO, give the laptop back to your father and let the grown-ups talk. We've got real issues to deal with.
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DXO,
I can absolutely understand your ideas. I know that corruption is common in all facets of life, including within a labor union whose sole purpose it to protect and further the careers of it's members. I have been, and still am, a member of a "real union", and can tell you that corruption runs rampant there. Now, if you really want to "help", and not stir the pot, then PM the details of your accusations to one of the numerous AOA members on this board, and let us dig deeper. You can even remain anonymous if you so choose. I don't like corruption any more than the next guy, but you are throwing wild pitches with NOTHING to back you up. Either add some substance, or find something else to talk about.
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I can absolutely understand your ideas. I know that corruption is common in all facets of life, including within a labor union whose sole purpose it to protect and further the careers of it's members. I have been, and still am, a member of a "real union", and can tell you that corruption runs rampant there. Now, if you really want to "help", and not stir the pot, then PM the details of your accusations to one of the numerous AOA members on this board, and let us dig deeper. You can even remain anonymous if you so choose. I don't like corruption any more than the next guy, but you are throwing wild pitches with NOTHING to back you up. Either add some substance, or find something else to talk about.
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Barth.. I agree with most of what u said esp...:
Quote: I also think that the AOA should employ professional negotiators in their dealings with the company. I know that CX will probably refuse to allow this, and at this point there should be a vote for contract compliance.
Quote: I also think that the AOA should employ professional negotiators in their dealings with the company. I know that CX will probably refuse to allow this, and at this point there should be a vote for contract compliance.