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What’s the latest rumour on the housing policy? Will we all lose housing? Get 25 years but sacrifice something or just the normal 15 years with rent after the 15 years?
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Based pilots will lose their HKG housing benefits and will receive a base rate only if they choose to return to HKG, in exchange for all LEP getting the same base rate and all pilots on expat terms presently in HKG keeping their housing benefits plus getting it extended to 25 years.
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If you are right GTC, that would be the slow death of proper expat housing. With all new recruits being cadets or DEFOs on a base, means the numbers on expat housing will only die away. We can't let that happen!
Will make it hard for them to attract people to come to Hong Kong me thinks!
We are a HK based airline after all!
Will make it hard for them to attract people to come to Hong Kong me thinks!
We are a HK based airline after all!
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Then all the company has to do is open lots of bases. If they close them like Amsterdam, or have problems with labour laws in other bases, bring them all back to HKG later.
That way former based pilots will all live in Tung Chung.
Another divide and conquer strategy, brilliant.
That way former based pilots will all live in Tung Chung.
Another divide and conquer strategy, brilliant.
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Based pilots will lose their HKG housing benefits and will receive a base rate only if they choose to return to HKG, in exchange for all LEP getting the same base rate and all pilots on expat terms presently in HKG keeping their housing benefits plus getting it extended to 25 years.
....are you saying that is what's coming, or that is what's already happened?!
....are you saying that is what's coming, or that is what's already happened?!
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Nobody in their right mind would a)come to Hong Kong in the first place or b)return to Hong Kong after a basing without the full housing being offered. Unless, that is, you've been rejected by every decent airline flying where you call home.
But is that who Cathay wants flying their logo around?
But is that who Cathay wants flying their logo around?
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Proffessionals or pussies?
Come on guys!
This has been the companies agenda all along, to try to screw housing out of us, little by little. And this is the only reason we can afford stay here!
We cannot allow a new generation of new staff and returning staff to be given lower conditions. Ask any A scaler, this will erode all of our Hong Kong based conditions in the future. We must stop this now!
All hong kong based pilots should get full housing (including all cadets after qualification period)!! For every year they are in HKG. We should be accepting nothing less.
The company just made a 6 billion dollar profit, why the hell would we take a pay drop/condition drop now!! (I'm talking over the whole pilot body, not just your selfish situation!)
We the cathay pilots are the only ones that can stop this from happening. The company won't, the joining pilots won't (they will still come, mark my word, albeit now after every other company).
If we allow this C scale....we're idiots!
This has been the companies agenda all along, to try to screw housing out of us, little by little. And this is the only reason we can afford stay here!
We cannot allow a new generation of new staff and returning staff to be given lower conditions. Ask any A scaler, this will erode all of our Hong Kong based conditions in the future. We must stop this now!
All hong kong based pilots should get full housing (including all cadets after qualification period)!! For every year they are in HKG. We should be accepting nothing less.
The company just made a 6 billion dollar profit, why the hell would we take a pay drop/condition drop now!! (I'm talking over the whole pilot body, not just your selfish situation!)
We the cathay pilots are the only ones that can stop this from happening. The company won't, the joining pilots won't (they will still come, mark my word, albeit now after every other company).
If we allow this C scale....we're idiots!
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Who in their right mind you say?
Well, there appears to be THOUSANDS of applicants lining up to take jobs with CX and accepting NO HOUSING. They are called CEP's.....and that has worked so well that CX are doing a short course for CPL applicants still wanting the CEP path....and so on, and so on..... Just look at the Fragrant Harbour Wannabe's forum!!
The gate was opened and horse bolted long ago it seems.
And what has or will the AOA do for you guys at CX or those looking to join? More hot air? And what of pilot solidarity? A myth.
Sorry guys, but your past is the greatest indicator of your future. Housing is being bred out of CX. Correct me if I'm wrong.
The gate was opened and horse bolted long ago it seems.
And what has or will the AOA do for you guys at CX or those looking to join? More hot air? And what of pilot solidarity? A myth.
Sorry guys, but your past is the greatest indicator of your future. Housing is being bred out of CX. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Housing is not for housing
The housing allowance is part of the overall package.
I used it to pay for my apartments, then sold them and invested the money elsewhere. If you take housing away you are taking away the ability for many of us to make any money in HKG (the salary is spent on living costs).
Without housing there is no point putting up with the hassles of Hong Kong (poor education for kids, life shortening air pollution, bad food).
Yes, the company does want to keep cutting, but why the hell should we agree to this????
I used it to pay for my apartments, then sold them and invested the money elsewhere. If you take housing away you are taking away the ability for many of us to make any money in HKG (the salary is spent on living costs).
Without housing there is no point putting up with the hassles of Hong Kong (poor education for kids, life shortening air pollution, bad food).
Yes, the company does want to keep cutting, but why the hell should we agree to this????
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Based pilots will lose their HKG housing benefits and will receive a base rate only if they choose to return to HKG, in exchange for all LEP getting the same base rate and all pilots on expat terms presently in HKG keeping their housing benefits plus getting it extended to 25 years.
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'Bases are all full so I'm never getting out of HKG and I can now get 25 yrs housing so I'm alright. Where do I sign? What's the downside for me?'
Thats right jack, just think about yourself!
Thats right jack, just think about yourself!
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We're talking about these housing negotiation rumours like they are facts.
I think we are screwing ourselves if we start speculating on how bad the housing negotiations could turn out. Its like we're discussing an upcoming failure before its happened.
Let's let the negotiating committee do their work and not add rumours to their list of problems. Why don't we talk about what we want to see from these negotiations.. not what we're hoping to avoid.
Just my 2 cents
I think we are screwing ourselves if we start speculating on how bad the housing negotiations could turn out. Its like we're discussing an upcoming failure before its happened.
Let's let the negotiating committee do their work and not add rumours to their list of problems. Why don't we talk about what we want to see from these negotiations.. not what we're hoping to avoid.
Just my 2 cents
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Bollocks to negotiations! they were done before SLS. 25years housing if pilots do SLS, well they did the SLS, just change 15 to 25 and thats it. If they are going to piss about and go back on their word. I'll stick with what we have at the moment, 15 years homeownership and then rent for twice as much at the companies expense!
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Agree with waterskier. GTC58 is stirring up the proverbial and talking as if it is fact. And of course he got some bites from people who have taken it as such. Way too much of that goes on in this forum.
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I responded to the first poster what's the latest rumour in regards of housing negotiations. However, I know for a fact that this was offered to the HKAOA. The big question is if the HKAOA thinks redistributing some of the available housing pie to the LEPs in exchange of taking some away from the based pilots is OK and will consider the offer in some form. As we all know the HKAOA just submitted a counter offer.
Also rumour has that the new base rate would be somewhere between HKD30k-40k/month.
Anyways, it looks like we all will know in the not so distant future what's proposed and can vote on it.
Believe what you want, after all it's called a rumour network.
Also rumour has that the new base rate would be somewhere between HKD30k-40k/month.
Anyways, it looks like we all will know in the not so distant future what's proposed and can vote on it.
Believe what you want, after all it's called a rumour network.
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We're talking about these housing negotiation rumours like they are facts.
I think we are screwing ourselves if we start speculating on how bad the housing negotiations could turn out. Its like we're discussing an upcoming failure before its happened.
Let's let the negotiating committee do their work and not add rumours to their list of problems. Why don't we talk about what we want to see from these negotiations.. not what we're hoping to avoid.
I think we are screwing ourselves if we start speculating on how bad the housing negotiations could turn out. Its like we're discussing an upcoming failure before its happened.
Let's let the negotiating committee do their work and not add rumours to their list of problems. Why don't we talk about what we want to see from these negotiations.. not what we're hoping to avoid.
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Why are we even negotiating 25 years?
Why are we even negotiating 25 yrs housing.
This was already part of the SLS deal last year, was it not?
I must be missing something here. We should already have it and if not serious questions need to asked as to why.
I am tired of having to constantly come back and fight for conditions that were already promised!
Another court case perhaps?
This was already part of the SLS deal last year, was it not?
I must be missing something here. We should already have it and if not serious questions need to asked as to why.
I am tired of having to constantly come back and fight for conditions that were already promised!
Another court case perhaps?