Housing

[Private Pile]

Whatever you think of the AOA, it remains our only negotiating body and seems to be serving it's purpose in trying to protect our T&C's whilst bargaining with a company hell bent on destroying them. Having read the AOA update I'm pleased to see them standing up for what's right and hope that with strength in numbers we can come out of these discussions with our a-holes intact...

[711]

guys, don't shoot the messenger. The AOA is doing its best.

[Fenwicksgirl]

EXEZY. You for real. CX would not have noticed RDO if it wasn't for the AOA??? Rest assured CX lobbyist were there with Legco members trying to water down the RDO at the inception. All major employers in HKG were put on notice well before the introduction of RDO.
So maybe AOA were trying their best to keep up with the process and trying to pre empt what CX were going to do.
You then explain how CX are going to use the RDO to reduce terms of flight crew etc, isn't that exactly what the AOA are trying to prevent!!!
Hardly in cahoots!!

[EXEZY]

My point was it was the AOA that used the RDO initially in order to win housing for the cadets. Housing which was never rightly there's anyway, racism or no racism.
This has now opened a can of worms which has now affected those wanting to return to Hong Kong from a base. I agree the company would interporate the RDO for new joiners in a way that suits them regardless of the AOA.

[404 Titan]

The last time I looked a large number of local cadets aren’t even Chinese so it is legally debatable whether the RDO even applies in this housing debate in the first place. As I said to a cadet earlier this year, the company doesn’t pay you a housing allowance not because of your race but because of your recruitment stream. For the RDO to be applicable, the companies denial of housing must be based purely on race which clearly isn’t the case otherwise there wouldn’t be local cadets of a European background who also don’t get housing.

[Starting Blocks]

Originally Posted by Bob Hawke

When will enough be enough, for those greedy pigs with their heads in the trough? This is so much like Animal Farm, I can hardly believe it!

TO THE MANAGERS!

Recognise this. We are also stakeholders in the Company and we are equally important in its day to day operations, even more-so - (try working without us!) and it's our every desire to see the company thrive and grow, but YOU must recognise our contribution and reward us accordingly.

Continual eroding of conditions is going to bring about extreme dissatisfaction and I can assure that you only have to sit in the cockpit and listen day in and day out, about the dramas, pressures, missed opportunities, co-ersion, and other tactics applied by the company that will manifest itself in some extremely negative fashion, either industrially or operationally. You are bringing this about, and YOU know that one of the criticisms from a recent auditing event mentioned & highlighted this. Read the signals carefully.

CX is one of the most pre-eminent airlines in the world and I would say that in a large part you have the pilots to thank. Get your heads out of your posteriors and recognise this!

Now where was I; oh yes, reviewing cage growth opportunities.

Just for once, put your greed to one side and think before posting. Sticking photos here of these poor guys who live in cages is the height of bad taste, although this is probably a concept that you have trouble understanding. Get this into your thick head once and for all - whatever your working conditions, you are luckier than most people will ever be, so don't come here whining about what's wrong with your pathetic life.

Your inflated sense of your own importance is grotesque - like it or not, you are expendable, if there are equally well qualified people willing to do your job as well as you do for less money, then you are out on your ear. Just be grateful you have a job.

These poor guys living in cages at least know what they are worth, unlike you. You disgust me.

[AcarsII]

As usual the CX pilots are arguing with each other…… For god’s sake, perhaps it’s time we are united!! Some CX pilots STILL don’t get the fact that the AOA is the only body that can negotiate with our management!!

In order to improve our terms and conditions, I strongly believe we can ONLY achieve something by being united and stop arguing with each other!

If we didn’t have the AOA who is going to negotiate Inflation correction, rosters practices, flight time limitations and housing? Indeed NOBODY.

Our management must love reading the Cathay stuff on PPRUNE.

United we stand, divided we fall.

[404 Titan]

AcarsII

Please don’t misconstrue my comments as an attack on the AOA or the right of cadets to have some form of housing assistance. I’ve been a member of the AOA since I joined CX in 2000. That is not to say that I agree with all their strategies though. The AOA were obliged to help the cadets with their housing claim. That I don’t have a problem with. The cadets though were claiming CX was racially discriminating against them. Unfortunately unless the AOA used the RDO as a legal weapon against CX there really wasn’t a case against them in the first place. It isn’t discriminatory even in places like Australia to have different remuneration packages based on your recruitment stream. The company, after smelling blood have turned that argument around to potentially force degraded COS on a large number of existing DE pilots and all new pilots irrespective of there recruitment stream. This certainly wasn’t the intended outcome we wanted but one I am sure the company thought through very carefully. Dealing with the company is like playing chess. You must anticipate your opponents move and be ready to outflank them. This requires always being three or four steps ahead of them though, something we a very bad at.