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Well meaning the article may well be. However it was a article that is divisive and as such should not have been published. The moral in the lower ranks has never been lower in all my time here.
All of you in support of PH must consider this, if it is hard to retire at 55 after earning A scale Captain's wage then for just a second come down of your high horses and imagine how hard it will be to retire after 65 after 35 years on B scale FO wage. Especially since the pay scale is capped.
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Well meaning the article may well be. However it was a article that is divisive and as such should not have been published. The moral in the lower ranks has never been lower in all my time here.
All of you in support of PH must consider this, if it is hard to retire at 55 after earning A scale Captain's wage then for just a second come down of your high horses and imagine how hard it will be to retire after 65 after 35 years on B scale FO wage. Especially since the pay scale is capped.
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Absolutely.
The silent majority of B scale are professionals. They have, of course my empathy, sympathy and support. I enjoy their professional conduct and social discourse.
My post was aimed, in partial jest, at the vocal wannabee minority.
Retire at 55 on B scales? 20+ years here on "A" scales and I still have to be here. [WTF?!!] Of course I understand...
Absolutely.
The silent majority of B scale are professionals. They have, of course my empathy, sympathy and support. I enjoy their professional conduct and social discourse.
My post was aimed, in partial jest, at the vocal wannabee minority.
Retire at 55 on B scales? 20+ years here on "A" scales and I still have to be here. [WTF?!!] Of course I understand...
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While my impression was that PH was genuinely trying to be helpful, his timing and "trust me" attitude are way off the mark. Anyone, A/B/C scale, that goes into business without doing their homework/due diligence deserve the "million dollar moron" tag.
What I found far more disturbing in the magazine though was NR laying down the initial groundwork for a revised (read - no) housing scheme.
Personally, and I think I speak for most of my mates, if they were ever to do away with or massively reduce the housing allowance then walking away from this job will be a very easy decision. I'm sure NR's and his cronies are very well aware that the reason most people are here is not for the basic salary.
Nick - If I live and work in a country other than my own (it doesn't matter how long I do this for) then I am an expat.
I hope that during the housing talks (if they ever occur)that the AOA squash this little cost cutting beauty before it gets any chance to get airborne. I am afraid that messing negatively with the housing is a deal breaker.
What I found far more disturbing in the magazine though was NR laying down the initial groundwork for a revised (read - no) housing scheme.
Personally, and I think I speak for most of my mates, if they were ever to do away with or massively reduce the housing allowance then walking away from this job will be a very easy decision. I'm sure NR's and his cronies are very well aware that the reason most people are here is not for the basic salary.
Nick - If I live and work in a country other than my own (it doesn't matter how long I do this for) then I am an expat.
I hope that during the housing talks (if they ever occur)that the AOA squash this little cost cutting beauty before it gets any chance to get airborne. I am afraid that messing negatively with the housing is a deal breaker.
tiger321
Maybe we should be asking NR and all the other executives and managers to surrender their housing allowance or provided accommodation at the same point they will be asking us to because if, under “THEIR” definition we aren’t expats anymore, neither are they.
Maybe we should be asking NR and all the other executives and managers to surrender their housing allowance or provided accommodation at the same point they will be asking us to because if, under “THEIR” definition we aren’t expats anymore, neither are they.
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A good point, NR can answer his own question...
Tiger321.... fair enough, however my crystal ball says that Housing will be "managed out" just as "B", C and then COS 08 were "managed in". A combination of divide and conquer and siege will be employed.
NR tried to get new joiners on a reduced housing package at the previous review. I recall the AOA GC initially recommended the package. Wisely, the AOA membership rejected the package we ended up the existing package for all non-cadets.
What NR could not get at the front door, he will try and get at the back door. All new pilots will be cadets or based DEFOs... so no housing. I imagine as the first of the over-60 pilots appear in HK he will try and remove their housing. Once he gets a large enough number of pilots on zero housing (or at least $24K). He will start to phase out housing for the rest.... divide and conquer.
It will take 10-15 years, but how long did it take to get rid of A scales?
Bear in mind, my crystal ball always says England will win the ashes and the World Cup.... so more than a pinch of salt is required...
Tiger321.... fair enough, however my crystal ball says that Housing will be "managed out" just as "B", C and then COS 08 were "managed in". A combination of divide and conquer and siege will be employed.
NR tried to get new joiners on a reduced housing package at the previous review. I recall the AOA GC initially recommended the package. Wisely, the AOA membership rejected the package we ended up the existing package for all non-cadets.
What NR could not get at the front door, he will try and get at the back door. All new pilots will be cadets or based DEFOs... so no housing. I imagine as the first of the over-60 pilots appear in HK he will try and remove their housing. Once he gets a large enough number of pilots on zero housing (or at least $24K). He will start to phase out housing for the rest.... divide and conquer.
It will take 10-15 years, but how long did it take to get rid of A scales?
Bear in mind, my crystal ball always says England will win the ashes and the World Cup.... so more than a pinch of salt is required...
