Judgement in the 49ers case: 11/11/09
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I found it appalling to note that Mr Tyler had no mention in his weekly message to staff about the High court ruling. As he was named in the case, one would have thought he might at least have given his CCD'd filtered opinion. This was left to CCD (through which the DFO did his appropriate service on his management advancement, we should not forget) to give a humbled aggressive response, like a rottweiler being bested by a terrier.
The days of "Noble House" are over. If you wish to do business in the world, you shall do business by the world's standards, and that includes you, Mr. Catbert. (Cf Dilbert for those not acquainted)
That individual rostering clerks who have raised their poppy head above the rest to become ersatz managers should be so castigated by the Learned Judge is particularly illuminating. Perhaps he will do the decent thing. I have lived within the corporate world of Asia long enough to doubt that he will. I hope that his scheduling staff will make him realise that he has made them all look fools, and apply the appropriate methods of Hong Kong.
I honestly doubt that some of the senior management in CX could run a department in the normal business world outside of Hong Kong, where adherence to labour laws is part of the cost of doing business.
Let us all celebrate this High court decision, irrespective of our differences as to whether we took the CX option, resigned from the AOA in disgust, or supported the breakaway union. The workers of Hong Kong have seen a light in this ruling, that the days of colonial arrogance in the employment of staff may just be about to turn.
The days of "Noble House" are over. If you wish to do business in the world, you shall do business by the world's standards, and that includes you, Mr. Catbert. (Cf Dilbert for those not acquainted)
That individual rostering clerks who have raised their poppy head above the rest to become ersatz managers should be so castigated by the Learned Judge is particularly illuminating. Perhaps he will do the decent thing. I have lived within the corporate world of Asia long enough to doubt that he will. I hope that his scheduling staff will make him realise that he has made them all look fools, and apply the appropriate methods of Hong Kong.
I honestly doubt that some of the senior management in CX could run a department in the normal business world outside of Hong Kong, where adherence to labour laws is part of the cost of doing business.
Let us all celebrate this High court decision, irrespective of our differences as to whether we took the CX option, resigned from the AOA in disgust, or supported the breakaway union. The workers of Hong Kong have seen a light in this ruling, that the days of colonial arrogance in the employment of staff may just be about to turn.
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Maybe the mocking and satirical Mr. Management would like to comment on his team’s performance.
Some of the pilots that “allegedly” decided the fate of the 49ers included a manager who was in command when he pushed back a 747 in TPE with a door still open and basically just about ripped the door off. Another Star departed PEN with gear pins in. Yet another Star impressed a airplane manufacturer so much with his CRM and people skills that they gave him a very derogatory nickname. Yet again at Boeing Field, a B777 on a delivery flight was flown recklessly close to the ground in an unauthorised fly by a Star Chamber member. The Crew Schedulers were represented by THE SHERMINATOR whose submission to the court was described as nothing more than name-calling and of no value to the court. And this group of above-mentioned individuals decided the fate of some very professional pilots and destroyed many careers. After reading the 70-page report it would be a miracle if CX could turn that result around and they should probably just write the cheques out.
Some of the pilots that “allegedly” decided the fate of the 49ers included a manager who was in command when he pushed back a 747 in TPE with a door still open and basically just about ripped the door off. Another Star departed PEN with gear pins in. Yet another Star impressed a airplane manufacturer so much with his CRM and people skills that they gave him a very derogatory nickname. Yet again at Boeing Field, a B777 on a delivery flight was flown recklessly close to the ground in an unauthorised fly by a Star Chamber member. The Crew Schedulers were represented by THE SHERMINATOR whose submission to the court was described as nothing more than name-calling and of no value to the court. And this group of above-mentioned individuals decided the fate of some very professional pilots and destroyed many careers. After reading the 70-page report it would be a miracle if CX could turn that result around and they should probably just write the cheques out.
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I hope everyone is keeping Mr Sherman Lam informed as it appears " NOT CONTACTABLE WHEN NOT ON DUTY" is a reason for him to report on you.
I wonder who Mr Lam reports to when he is not at work.
I wonder who Mr Lam reports to when he is not at work.
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I believe that a few more lawsuits are heading CX's way, particularly as they pertain to reinstatement. I still find the irony of Ian Wilkinson being the root of managements demise comical. Why don't you just offer them all their jobs back, a handshake, a decent cheque and an apology. THAT would be drawing a line under the issue.
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I wouldn't be surprised if more lawsuits are in the pipeline. Now that there has been a high profile case where justice was seen to be done and big business, with their unbelievably deep pockets, did not manage to draw the case out forever. There is no longer the excuse to have the mindset that the little people can't get true justice when up against the 'biggies'. I commend the 49'ers and their perseverence.
Unfortunately, CX has drawn out so many issues for so long that more court cases are inevitable. Nothing real as far as addressing the many issues has come from CX for a very long time. Despite the DFO's last letter, I believe it is yet just further delaying tactics and nothing concrete will come our way as a result. Many of the future court cases and resulting costs and publicity are firmly in CX's hands. Sadly, I believe this will mean much bad publicity for our beloved airline(no sarcasm intended - it is still OUR airline). So much for a socially responsible company.
Unfortunately, CX has drawn out so many issues for so long that more court cases are inevitable. Nothing real as far as addressing the many issues has come from CX for a very long time. Despite the DFO's last letter, I believe it is yet just further delaying tactics and nothing concrete will come our way as a result. Many of the future court cases and resulting costs and publicity are firmly in CX's hands. Sadly, I believe this will mean much bad publicity for our beloved airline(no sarcasm intended - it is still OUR airline). So much for a socially responsible company.
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Sadly, I believe this will mean much bad publicity for our beloved airline(no sarcasm intended - it is still OUR airline). So much for a socially responsible company.
It just makes you wonder whether it's a desired or unintended consequence of the management style.
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The employee/employer relationship has been systematically reduced to a contractual battle between a vendor and buyer, where there is no trust, no goodwill, no prisoners taken and no loyality.
"today a formal complaint of perjury was lodged with the Commissioner of Police in HK by an officer of the court against Messrs. Rhodes and Kroutil of Cathay Pacific Airways."
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zygot44 - dream or reality
The way you have written your post indicates a quote from a written source. Is there some substance to your so-called quote or is this a vision from a dream?
If the latter, tread carefully. Although being a rumour network, the 2 gentlemen to which you have referred have just learnt how to sucessfully prosecute a defamation case.
If the latter, tread carefully. Although being a rumour network, the 2 gentlemen to which you have referred have just learnt how to sucessfully prosecute a defamation case.
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Heard from a connected source that even though the company could appeal.....an appeal looks very unlikely or if undertaken would be potentially doomed to failure.
An appeal it appears will have a high degree of success if its on a contention of a point of law, but in the final judgement of this case this didnt figure, as it was a judges opinion.
But Cathay cant stand to lose.
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An appeal it appears will have a high degree of success if its on a contention of a point of law, but in the final judgement of this case this didnt figure, as it was a judges opinion.
But Cathay cant stand to lose.
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Alleged Perjury
As reported on this thread:
"today a formal complaint of perjury was lodged with the Commissioner of Police in HK by an officer of the court against Messrs. Rhodes and Kroutil of Cathay Pacific Airways."
I seem to recall Ken Barley and Ron Davies making similar "inaccurate" statements under oath in the UK hearings.
Memories are long, as is the arm of the law!
"today a formal complaint of perjury was lodged with the Commissioner of Police in HK by an officer of the court against Messrs. Rhodes and Kroutil of Cathay Pacific Airways."
I seem to recall Ken Barley and Ron Davies making similar "inaccurate" statements under oath in the UK hearings.
Memories are long, as is the arm of the law!
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What are the estimated legal costs that the company has to bear? Any ideas?
Might be more than the judgement?
Might be more than the judgement?
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Despite what some may think, I believe that CX will back NR to the end - no matter what the cost. He has saved the company 100's of millions of dollars over the years with his delaying tactics and shabby treatment of those under him. This is in major part due to his (mis)managers backing him into a (legal) corner on many issues.
Sadly, all this legal wrangling has cost the company many millions more, in my opinion. But that doesn't matter, right? A compliant workforce in itself is worth a fortune. I've said it before, but what the heck, I'll say it again. The only way to get CX to the table and/or comply with our contracts is going to be through the courts. Their war chest(i.e. our profit share and 13th month) is huge - make no mistake. Be prepared for many more expensive, protracted and very public court cases. We'll get what's coming to us - just might take a while, that's all.
Interesting that he sees the HKAOA letters as being inflammatory. But the fact is they are merely spelling out the bitter-sweet truth about the current state of affairs.
Sadly, all this legal wrangling has cost the company many millions more, in my opinion. But that doesn't matter, right? A compliant workforce in itself is worth a fortune. I've said it before, but what the heck, I'll say it again. The only way to get CX to the table and/or comply with our contracts is going to be through the courts. Their war chest(i.e. our profit share and 13th month) is huge - make no mistake. Be prepared for many more expensive, protracted and very public court cases. We'll get what's coming to us - just might take a while, that's all.
Interesting that he sees the HKAOA letters as being inflammatory. But the fact is they are merely spelling out the bitter-sweet truth about the current state of affairs.
