China ATS delays

[Less is More]

Clearance delivery in HK spent so much time trying to sort out this mess

Excuse me, I thought Airways Controllers were doing that! and Clearance delivery is only a messenger.

[hongkongfooey]

I don't think things will change in a hurry,unless the powers that be have a look at other ATC systems

As somebody pointed out Dyce, the first part of fixing a problem is admitting you have one, this is not likely to happen in my lifetime here

I appreciate that a lot of the problems with delays on the ground in HK are due to our friends up north, 10 min spacing ?? what the hell ?? thats 70nm ( @ GS of 7nm/min ), yeh have heard that one plenty of times, more than I care to remember.
But once we are arriving into HK, in HK airspace, they can't blame that on our northern cousins, and arriving in HK is definitely becoming more hit and miss
Cheers

[On the beach]

There used to be an unwritten policy on Air Ch1n@ many moons ago that all ATCOs travelling with them got upgraded to First Class. Don't know if it still applies but when you're down at 25,000ft have a look up and see if you can see any smiling faces in the first three rows of any Air Ch1n@ above you!!! If you can then the likelyhood is they will be landing before you. Purely by chance, you understand!!

On the beach

[galaxy flyer]

AVIATION PROFESSIONALS might just try a wee bit harder to understand the environment they "swim" in better rather than knocking 'em around. OTOH, don't get me started about UUWW!

GF

[PBY]

Generally speaking, I agree with most of the posts on this forum. But what concerns flying low, I find Chinese pilots actually prefer to fly very low as they view it as much healthier. This is, of course, valid for domestic carriers, because in long haul you would probably not make it to your destination. They don't seem to care about fuel consumption, as they are not pushed by airlines to save fuel, as is the case in western airlines. Very often it is impossible to save any fuel due to ATC. There seem to be a plenty of money to burn. But I have quite often witnessed guys refusing higher levels and staying happily 8 levels below. I seem to be the only one I know (ha,ha), who constantly tries to get higher level. It is true, that quite often higher level is not available. But I am trying to make the point, that Chinese domestic pilots most of the time don't try to get higher level. They will even blame it on being too heavy to climb to a level lets say around 350 (not exact in meters) when they fly A320 or B737