Subic2Hebe Debacle
Full Report on the Recovery of Sunny written by Stu Pryke dtd Saturday, 31 May 2008 was on here a few minutes ago and now gone, I guess for editing.
Made sobering and informative reading; hope to see it posted again.
Made sobering and informative reading; hope to see it posted again.
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http://www.subic2hebechallenge.com/index.php
Stu's report is on the subic2hebe website and it makes very interesting reading. It is very easy to make judgements from the comfort of the crew hotel.
Considering the events, it makes Guy Nowell's piece look very churlish.
Stu's report is on the subic2hebe website and it makes very interesting reading. It is very easy to make judgements from the comfort of the crew hotel.
Considering the events, it makes Guy Nowell's piece look very churlish.
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My hat is off to both these men. They attempted that which most would never even consider, and all for charity.
It is easy to sit in the warmth and safety of your home or flightdeck and criticize the decisions they made but it appears to me that they attempted a massive undertaking and stood their ground when things turned sour. That's the type of person I want to fly with. Whether right or wrong, they made the decisions that they made and ,with the heroic efforts of others in the marine and aviation sectors, are here to tell the tale.
Personally I would suggest that unless you have attempted a similar feat for a good cause perhaps we should all keep our negative opinions to ourselves and be grateful for a happy outcome.
I've already got my coat, and can hear the faint whistling of incoming.......!
It is easy to sit in the warmth and safety of your home or flightdeck and criticize the decisions they made but it appears to me that they attempted a massive undertaking and stood their ground when things turned sour. That's the type of person I want to fly with. Whether right or wrong, they made the decisions that they made and ,with the heroic efforts of others in the marine and aviation sectors, are here to tell the tale.
Personally I would suggest that unless you have attempted a similar feat for a good cause perhaps we should all keep our negative opinions to ourselves and be grateful for a happy outcome.
I've already got my coat, and can hear the faint whistling of incoming.......!
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Well said, Wraith.
Having crossed this bit of water six times in the last six years at about the same time of year I can say it is totally unpredictable.
One doesn't climb Everest with predictable weather and I think these guys were exceptionally courageous.
Things can go wrong very quickly in a small boat on the ocean and unless you have been there I suggest you might not be qualified to make the judgement.
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Having crossed this bit of water six times in the last six years at about the same time of year I can say it is totally unpredictable.
One doesn't climb Everest with predictable weather and I think these guys were exceptionally courageous.
Things can go wrong very quickly in a small boat on the ocean and unless you have been there I suggest you might not be qualified to make the judgement.
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jag330: So to all you spineless gits out there please wait for Stu and John to get back to work and then look them both in the eyes and call them fools.
Daisy won't be looking any of the 49ers in the eye that's for sure..just a gutless punce.
Daisy won't be looking any of the 49ers in the eye that's for sure..just a gutless punce.
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"The ability to keep a cool head in an emergency, maintain poise in the midst of excitement and to refuse to be stampeded are true marks of leadership."
Well done Stu, Jon and RE. You did the planning, had the courage and dedication to get on with it and did the right things at the time. Bad luck on the weather.
Shame on the critics but they are just that - irrelevant.
For them that knows and who sail these waters - Nowell is a bit of an opportunistic wally.
Well done Stu, Jon and RE. You did the planning, had the courage and dedication to get on with it and did the right things at the time. Bad luck on the weather.
Shame on the critics but they are just that - irrelevant.
For them that knows and who sail these waters - Nowell is a bit of an opportunistic wally.
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Subic and the 49ers
Well, that's a spin from a guy with a pretty huge grudge! Having being backed in to a corner on the Subic issue he or possibly even she (cos you sure don't have any real balls canukman), has to resort to a matter involving something, I should imagine is rather personal, about the unfortunate 49er issue.
Sad that you should bring two cases that attest to "charity" into your pathetic court for public airing. I suggest that you keep your argument and comment focused and in the correct forum for the subject concerned. This is not the place to insert your petty grudges. Would the good Lord save us from twats like you.
Sad that you should bring two cases that attest to "charity" into your pathetic court for public airing. I suggest that you keep your argument and comment focused and in the correct forum for the subject concerned. This is not the place to insert your petty grudges. Would the good Lord save us from twats like you.
I have had the pleasure of flying with both Stu and John. Their enthusiasm for adventure and exploration is a quality that is sadly lacking amongst the next generation of folk accustomed to the new age of nanny-state regulations.
The mission was not without risk but was taken for the charity benefit of the Sunnyside Club.
Nature doesn't work to a set flight plan. Sometimes there are forces at work that are beyond the limits of mere mortals.
Their ultimate survival attests to Stu and John's knowledge and professionalism in all areas of seamanship, aviation, preparation and planning.
If you don't understand why they undertook this mission, then you will never understand why mankind has arrived where we are today.
The mission was not without risk but was taken for the charity benefit of the Sunnyside Club.
Nature doesn't work to a set flight plan. Sometimes there are forces at work that are beyond the limits of mere mortals.
Their ultimate survival attests to Stu and John's knowledge and professionalism in all areas of seamanship, aviation, preparation and planning.
If you don't understand why they undertook this mission, then you will never understand why mankind has arrived where we are today.
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I've been out of HK for a while, left just before this valiant attempt was made. I don't know John very well but I have known Stu for nearly 20years! I have just read his report on the Subic site and couldn't quite make out his reference to Pprune..so had to have a look!!
I can't beleive that I may be sharing a flight deck with some of you pricks that have been posting these critical remarks. When will you blokes understand that there is more to life than DEC Captains, DEFO's, bleatings over retirement etc. Two guys accepted and undertook a challenge that most of us couldn't even imagine, let alone finance, plan and attempt.
As I say, I feel saddened to know that I share my work place with you. What I can say, and will say, is that I'm proud to call Stu and John my work mates. God Bless them!!!!!!!!
I can't beleive that I may be sharing a flight deck with some of you pricks that have been posting these critical remarks. When will you blokes understand that there is more to life than DEC Captains, DEFO's, bleatings over retirement etc. Two guys accepted and undertook a challenge that most of us couldn't even imagine, let alone finance, plan and attempt.
As I say, I feel saddened to know that I share my work place with you. What I can say, and will say, is that I'm proud to call Stu and John my work mates. God Bless them!!!!!!!!
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I really thought that arm-chair antics, especially from a fully grown man calling himself 'US Marine', would have worn themselves out by now.Yet instead it becomes obvious that, whoever he is, he must have balls bigger than each typhoon to be able to sit there and state:
"and the claim that most of us dont have the courage to put our arses on the line for charity....maybe so, maybe because we dont want also to put the arses of two rescue ships, GFS, crew on a chartered yacht, local sailors (dodging two drifting hulls) etc on the line as well"
Or maybe, US Marine, you dont have the balls to do it because you know that if you attempted such a voyage and failed, people just like yourself (of the obvious egotistical vibe) would sit in front of you with very little contextual knowledge and critique you from any possible angle, just as long at they dont have to pay much for a seat; after all they do say image is everything in this day and age. As for the Everest analogy you beautifully thought up..well done, did you manage to scribble it down on the back of your menu before having a well earnt nap?
For the rest of you I am sorry to be so childish, it just confuses me how people seem so willing to criticize when they have no-one in front of them; this guy obviously knows Stu and John in some form...yet whispers better than most school girls.
"and the claim that most of us dont have the courage to put our arses on the line for charity....maybe so, maybe because we dont want also to put the arses of two rescue ships, GFS, crew on a chartered yacht, local sailors (dodging two drifting hulls) etc on the line as well"
Or maybe, US Marine, you dont have the balls to do it because you know that if you attempted such a voyage and failed, people just like yourself (of the obvious egotistical vibe) would sit in front of you with very little contextual knowledge and critique you from any possible angle, just as long at they dont have to pay much for a seat; after all they do say image is everything in this day and age. As for the Everest analogy you beautifully thought up..well done, did you manage to scribble it down on the back of your menu before having a well earnt nap?
For the rest of you I am sorry to be so childish, it just confuses me how people seem so willing to criticize when they have no-one in front of them; this guy obviously knows Stu and John in some form...yet whispers better than most school girls.
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Respectfully suggest that you get involved and offer assistance to Jon and Stu when they do their next event. Get involved. Man a radio, be a standby emergency contact help prep their boat, leverage your wisdom and do contigency planning for them in case similar happens again.
Helping to raise awareness for the charity is also an important contribution.
Be a gentleman, do it anonymously and do not expect credit or praise for your efforts.
Not helping is your perrogative but please don't pee on their efforts. Find a way to add value and contribute positively.
PS You can start by changing your PPRUNE name. Your contributions to this thread do not do the organisation in question any favours. Semper Fi.
Helping to raise awareness for the charity is also an important contribution.
Be a gentleman, do it anonymously and do not expect credit or praise for your efforts.
Not helping is your perrogative but please don't pee on their efforts. Find a way to add value and contribute positively.
PS You can start by changing your PPRUNE name. Your contributions to this thread do not do the organisation in question any favours. Semper Fi.
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IlovePX- i think you miss my point- not all readings end up sarcastic- i was implying that with such a supposed name why all the stick? Turns out we all know why US Marine...those are are a mighty fine pair of bitch tits, good to see youve got imagination enough to retort with something below a primary school reading age...do you wear your lappels round the house on your days off aswell? i think its time someone took their dick out the shrink wrap and realised theyre not training anymore...im sure all the hosties still love you though sunshine.
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you can berate me as much as you like dude...its not me appearing in the press being labelled a dimwit......trying to blast aside anyone who criticises this venture is fine.....there is much more to come in this story and when the truth comes out, you can buy me a beer for being such a tosser.
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get over it
Guys, get over it.
it's really pretty simple:
fact: a good effort to make money for charity
fact: it didnt work out, only God not cx pilots controls the weather
fact: it all ended in a bit of a mess.....everyone is safe and you can go round and round and round in circles creating villains and heroes. Stu has told his story, maybe one day we will hear from the others involved.
pprune is as childish as i expected!
it's really pretty simple:
fact: a good effort to make money for charity
fact: it didnt work out, only God not cx pilots controls the weather
fact: it all ended in a bit of a mess.....everyone is safe and you can go round and round and round in circles creating villains and heroes. Stu has told his story, maybe one day we will hear from the others involved.
pprune is as childish as i expected!
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fair enough brother...the fact that you will undoubtedly lap up all spin coming from any paper suggests that you would end up having no true account of what happened in the end anyway...in the true fashion of gossip the one track mind is queen. Yea, i'll buy you a beer at the bar, but you can be sure i'd be waiting for you to finish your own tales first...im guessing you'll be the one with your name ironed inside your shirt.
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For the benefit of US marine, or should it be "the amaryllis" and to bring an end to the petty mud slinging...these are facts and they come from the coal face. US m, I'm not sure what you are in addition privvy to, that Stu didn't actually meet and John and the team didn't assess at the time but if its pinnacle to the argument, then 4GS lets hear it.
Stu has never "blamed" anyone. Criticism is not blame per say. This was always an altruistic challenge and in the end, it was a success for the 36 kids, together with their various disabilities, to visit Taiwan with their carers. And significant extra with the cash donations will allow the Grantham Hospital to turn on a couple of additional ech cardigrams for sick kids.
John Young has abandoned his recovery of the "sailabout". A boat never in survey for charter although recommended by the big cheese himself in Subic....to whom JY was in significant debt.
Stu AND the team are contributing funds towards the relocation of JY and his family, back to the US. "Sunny" has been held to ransome to the tune of 15,000USD by two Brits in Subic. This will impact on other additional donation events that will directly effect the charity. Any input there USm would be appreciated.
The boat will cost, for repair alone, approx 6 to 8 thousand USD.
Irrespective of the perceived mistakes and lack of "protocol" regarding weather and its availability, pre charter checks etc...for the critiques out there, you were not on the ground but I appreciate that armchairing the event in hindsight is a sport in which we all indulge occasionally.
For the charity, the kids and future events that benefit those less able than those that are fit enuff to hold licence(s) (sic), through risk events, please bring this thing to a close. Whatever personal grudges you have against Stu, have the balls to take it out with him, face on, not on this forum.
In the end, good prevailed. Amen.
Stu has never "blamed" anyone. Criticism is not blame per say. This was always an altruistic challenge and in the end, it was a success for the 36 kids, together with their various disabilities, to visit Taiwan with their carers. And significant extra with the cash donations will allow the Grantham Hospital to turn on a couple of additional ech cardigrams for sick kids.
John Young has abandoned his recovery of the "sailabout". A boat never in survey for charter although recommended by the big cheese himself in Subic....to whom JY was in significant debt.
Stu AND the team are contributing funds towards the relocation of JY and his family, back to the US. "Sunny" has been held to ransome to the tune of 15,000USD by two Brits in Subic. This will impact on other additional donation events that will directly effect the charity. Any input there USm would be appreciated.
The boat will cost, for repair alone, approx 6 to 8 thousand USD.
Irrespective of the perceived mistakes and lack of "protocol" regarding weather and its availability, pre charter checks etc...for the critiques out there, you were not on the ground but I appreciate that armchairing the event in hindsight is a sport in which we all indulge occasionally.
For the charity, the kids and future events that benefit those less able than those that are fit enuff to hold licence(s) (sic), through risk events, please bring this thing to a close. Whatever personal grudges you have against Stu, have the balls to take it out with him, face on, not on this forum.
In the end, good prevailed. Amen.
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I hope there are plans afoot to out the two in Subic Bay and their company. Their names and their profiteering ways should be given to the press in Hong Kong, in the Phillipines and in the United Kingdom.
To hold the boat to ransom when they know it's for charity is appauling. It may be theirs by law, but they should pay the price of public shame for their grubby little cash grab.
To hold the boat to ransom when they know it's for charity is appauling. It may be theirs by law, but they should pay the price of public shame for their grubby little cash grab.
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