CX 777 Flyby CP sacked
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IW is likely the only pilot on the 3rd floor who could have done that nice flypast, the rest............. Our DFO thinks he could have pulled it off oooopppss sorry he is not a pilot but he could have approved it strange world.
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So, how about this delivery flight flyby? This one was ok but the latest one wasn't? Selective punishment? I know this one was higher but CX has already admitted the issue was not having permission and not the height of the flyby itself.
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Here's something close to a video of the event, I stitched together stills from my DSLR into a video:
"video" of B-KPF low flyby at Paine Field
"video" of B-KPF low flyby at Paine Field
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Hey all,
its interesting that CP went from hero to a zero, faster then I thought was possible. I think it is a shame that he was sacked, but the management has to 'ultimate' power....
Who are 49'ers? Are those the pilots that were let go couple of years ago and that's why there was a strike? Can somebody help out!
Thanks for your help!
Cheers
Andrej
its interesting that CP went from hero to a zero, faster then I thought was possible. I think it is a shame that he was sacked, but the management has to 'ultimate' power....
Who are 49'ers? Are those the pilots that were let go couple of years ago and that's why there was a strike? Can somebody help out!
Thanks for your help!
Cheers
Andrej
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If you want a low flyby, check out this vid at about the 34 second mark.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXyihqsNEUI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXyihqsNEUI
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Volarecantare, I believe we should have the same ethos of doctors that you talk about but you should be talking to the management pilots/senior pilots and the check and trainers at Cathay Pacific. They will eat their young. I have seen this up close and had to remove some knives that were firmly inserted into my own back.
Leadership starts from the top down i.e. management pilots/senior pilot’s down/ check and trainers but there is absolutely none at Cathay Pacific but many are self-professed leaders. One must prove they are capable of destroying/hindering another pilots career in order to graduate through the ranks of Cathay Pacific Pilot Management. Something to be proud of.
We have learned from our peers on how to treat fellow pilots. While many in Cathay Pacific state a no blame policy, they are the very same people to throw the rope over the limb when one of our colleagues has an error in judgment.
I don’t think this will change in the near future, only more casualties along the way.
As for support, choose your friends wisely and a nice bottle of scotch doesn’t hurt.
This bloke was involved in the Star Chamber and received his just reward.
It’s the Cathay way.
As for quotes, there is a little quotation box to the right just above where you paste your post. Highlight the text and click on the quotation box.
Leadership starts from the top down i.e. management pilots/senior pilot’s down/ check and trainers but there is absolutely none at Cathay Pacific but many are self-professed leaders. One must prove they are capable of destroying/hindering another pilots career in order to graduate through the ranks of Cathay Pacific Pilot Management. Something to be proud of.
We have learned from our peers on how to treat fellow pilots. While many in Cathay Pacific state a no blame policy, they are the very same people to throw the rope over the limb when one of our colleagues has an error in judgment.
I don’t think this will change in the near future, only more casualties along the way.
As for support, choose your friends wisely and a nice bottle of scotch doesn’t hurt.
This bloke was involved in the Star Chamber and received his just reward.
It’s the Cathay way.
As for quotes, there is a little quotation box to the right just above where you paste your post. Highlight the text and click on the quotation box.
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Thanks Bloggs,
I hear what you are saying and I absolutely agree that leadership should come from the top down, also that fish rot from the head first and things have certainly become fairly rotten. Having said that there is also a form of leadership that can come from behind, this is something we can begin to do and is within our control.
It is difficult for us however to have influence on Management, one must recognize that we have become a very damaged and fractured group ourselves, thus making it easier forums to be taken advantage of. My point was that we have in some ways become as bad as management towards each other and I feel this is the biggest victory CX have had on us as a body.
his we do have influence over!
The other reason I'm sorry to say that we have found ourselves in this situation is that frankly our Unions have not had the skill to negotiate the dangerous waters of the corporate minds. We are pilots not negotiators and not business people as much has been lost by the albeit good will but naivete of our unions as has been done to us by management.
With the current 'market forces' we are in a stronger position than ever. With the integration challenges facing us regarding the KA takeover we should be thinking way out of the box. For example there is much talk about this Y system that seems to be favorably considered by the majority of both CX and KA. Why not join the unions on this, study the facts and figures and employ professional business legal strategists pr and get them to help us prepare a proposal and request a hearing with the Board of Directors and shareholders. If we can present a case that is win win and ultimately crew saving cost saving and moral saving, put figures on it and it proves to be financially wise then Management WILL be forced to implement it. his would certainly turn the tables. Madness is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.
In a company that is responsible to shareholders if the managment can be proven to be damaging the company by their actions then they well be held accountable. we just need to learn to communicate our message in a language that is understood by the shareholders
Equally we need to begin to improve our own moral and standards of behavior, stop this them and us idea both within our pilot bodies and towards the company. It is our company, our careers and our livelihoods. There is so much damage and hatred in our pilot body and it is lashed out in all directions without anyone ever challenging it. Its up to us older guys who have a bit of experience under our belts to protect our colleagues from each other.
As to the C+T, it is one of THE worst environment of abuse. Shame and shame on all those who step into those responsibilities and then ruthless humiliate degrade and destroy the dignity and confidence of those under their influence....
A bit early for me for the old scotch but nice suggestion
I hear what you are saying and I absolutely agree that leadership should come from the top down, also that fish rot from the head first and things have certainly become fairly rotten. Having said that there is also a form of leadership that can come from behind, this is something we can begin to do and is within our control.
It is difficult for us however to have influence on Management, one must recognize that we have become a very damaged and fractured group ourselves, thus making it easier forums to be taken advantage of. My point was that we have in some ways become as bad as management towards each other and I feel this is the biggest victory CX have had on us as a body.
his we do have influence over!
The other reason I'm sorry to say that we have found ourselves in this situation is that frankly our Unions have not had the skill to negotiate the dangerous waters of the corporate minds. We are pilots not negotiators and not business people as much has been lost by the albeit good will but naivete of our unions as has been done to us by management.
With the current 'market forces' we are in a stronger position than ever. With the integration challenges facing us regarding the KA takeover we should be thinking way out of the box. For example there is much talk about this Y system that seems to be favorably considered by the majority of both CX and KA. Why not join the unions on this, study the facts and figures and employ professional business legal strategists pr and get them to help us prepare a proposal and request a hearing with the Board of Directors and shareholders. If we can present a case that is win win and ultimately crew saving cost saving and moral saving, put figures on it and it proves to be financially wise then Management WILL be forced to implement it. his would certainly turn the tables. Madness is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.
In a company that is responsible to shareholders if the managment can be proven to be damaging the company by their actions then they well be held accountable. we just need to learn to communicate our message in a language that is understood by the shareholders
Equally we need to begin to improve our own moral and standards of behavior, stop this them and us idea both within our pilot bodies and towards the company. It is our company, our careers and our livelihoods. There is so much damage and hatred in our pilot body and it is lashed out in all directions without anyone ever challenging it. Its up to us older guys who have a bit of experience under our belts to protect our colleagues from each other.
As to the C+T, it is one of THE worst environment of abuse. Shame and shame on all those who step into those responsibilities and then ruthless humiliate degrade and destroy the dignity and confidence of those under their influence....
A bit early for me for the old scotch but nice suggestion
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In the Sydney Morning Herald and the Australian how many other news papers did it make?
http://www.smh.com.au/news/travel/bo...788130049.html
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...-12335,00.html
CX must be loving all this "good" press!
http://www.smh.com.au/news/travel/bo...788130049.html
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...-12335,00.html
CX must be loving all this "good" press!
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CX must be loving all this "good" press!
"Boeing pilot...."
Obviously referring to a pilot from the Boeing fleet etc. But, first read/scan of the headline might suggest a Boeing employed pilot.
"Cathay pilot..."
would have been more accurate. God bless accurate headlines/reporting.
Brgd's
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PS - who was it got the w!llies and sent the bugger down?
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A sad ending to a career. The problem here was that probably this maneuver wasn't endlessly mused about by DP Davies in Handling the Big Jets, hence the heartburn at CX.
Perhaps not the best decision, but I wonder whether it really warranted the severity of the punishment.
Perhaps not the best decision, but I wonder whether it really warranted the severity of the punishment.
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So who the hell did that flyby in KPC? How come that was OK then?
NR please explain.
Wasn't it RD that did the KPC delivery? I think it was.
update:
It was the deputy CP on the 777 that did this flyby.
Sack him as well?
Double standards maybe?
NR please explain.
Wasn't it RD that did the KPC delivery? I think it was.
update:
It was the deputy CP on the 777 that did this flyby.
Sack him as well?
Double standards maybe?
You are very correct. Rumours have it that at least two previous fly-bys were conducted and are being investigated. This is not over by a long shot.
PS Flight Intl has it now also
PS Flight Intl has it now also