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The Demise of Hong Kong Airlines

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The Demise of Hong Kong Airlines

Old 7th Aug 2012, 21:24
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Any comments about the fact that the "pilot job application" no longer exists at HKA webpage?
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Old 7th Aug 2012, 23:53
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From 1999 regarding WestJet.

FEBRUARY 24, 2000

WestJet's 1999 Earnings Increase By 143%

CALGARY, ALBERTA--WestJet Airlines today announced its financial
results for the year ended December 31, 1999, featuring a 143%
increase in net earnings, to $15.8 million in 1999 from $6.5
million in 1998. Earnings per share (fully diluted) also more
than doubled from 28 cents in 1998 to 58 cents in 1999. As of
December 31, 1999, the company had 27,303,999 shares outstanding
with total long-term debt of $29.3 million, shareholders' equity
of $94.5 million and $50.7 million in cash on hand.

Total revenues increased by more than 62% from $125.4 million in
1998 to $203.6 million in 1999. Yield, measured by revenue per
revenue passenger mile, increased 15% from 19.6 cents in 1998 to
22.5 cents in 1999. Higher jet fuel prices and the introduction
of the second phase of Nav Canada charges in 1999, contributed to
an increase in expenses of 54.1% over 1998 to $173.1 million.
Excluding the impact of the Nav Canada charges and the employee
profit share, which grew from $1.7 million to $6.6 million, unit
costs increased only 3% from 11.7 cents per available seat mile in
1998 to 12.1 cents in 1999. Earnings from operations increased by
132% to $30.5 million in 1999 compared with $13.1 million in the
previous year.

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Old 8th Aug 2012, 02:12
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HKCAD freezes Hong Kong Airlines' fleet expansion plans

The latest from Air Transport World yesterday:

"The Hong Kong Civil Aviation Dept. (CAD) has frozen the fleet expansion plans for Hainan Airlines subsidiary Hong Kong Airlines (HX) due to safety concerns.

According to CAD, the Hong Kong-based carrier would have to meet all safety requirements for operating a larger fleet as well as stricter conditions to HX’s air operator’s certificate (AOC) limiting the types of aircraft the carrier can fly.

This means HX cannot add any aircraft without prior approval from CAD.

“With a very rapid expansion of aircraft fleet in recent years, CAD considers that it is time for HX to catch up with its current fleet size by consolidating their existing operations,” CAD said.

HX operates a fleet of 21 aircraft, comprising seven Airbus A330-200s, one A320, three A330-200 freighters, eight Boeing 737-800s and two 737-300Fs.

The carrier said it has no plans to cancel any aircraft orders but instead would phase out its older aircraft.

HX in 2010 finalized an order for 25 Airbus aircraft, comprising 15 A350-900 and 10 A330-200s. The 15 -900s are scheduled to be delivered in 2018; the 10 -200s are expected to begin delivery this year (ATW Daily News, Oct. 14, 2010).

HX also placed a $3.8 billion order for 10 A380s, which are scheduled for delivery from 2015 (ATW Daily News, Jan. 10). However, the A380 order is in jeopardy as the Chinese government protests the European Union Emissions Trading Scheme tax (ATW Daily News, March 9)."
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Old 8th Aug 2012, 08:45
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For once it seems HKG CAD is doing its job.If we all operate like they do over the border and around some parts the rest of Asia there is no point being here.

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Old 16th Aug 2012, 16:45
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Hong Kong Airlines: A bad fortnight for Hong Kong Airlines | The Economist

"FOR Hong Kong Airlines, August has turned out to be the cruellest month. Hong Kong's Civil Aviation Department has told the airline that it is not allowed to expand its 21-strong fleet until it has met relevant safety requirements. And more recently the carrier announced that its business-class-only service between London Gatwick and Hong Kong is to close in September, just six months after launch...."
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Old 17th Aug 2012, 05:13
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Well, I imagine this is the end.


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Old 17th Aug 2012, 06:19
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Latest incident clearly pilot error then! Care to enlighten us?
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Old 17th Aug 2012, 06:23
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Grrr What Have They Done Now?

A full A330 evacuation on the runway, whilst they are currently on the CAD radar for safety concerns.

What have those HKA retards done now?

I can't wait to hear Algol's defence of this one.
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Old 17th Aug 2012, 07:13
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Doesn't matter if its mechanical (poor maintenance), pilot error (bad crew), or act of god. There has been enough 'face' by the CAD on the issue in the last weeks, that they will have to act.
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Old 17th Aug 2012, 07:20
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Old 17th Aug 2012, 08:31
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A full A330 evacuation on the runway
I know some of you guys are bitter and twisted and would take great pleasure in seeing this circus finally shutdown, but I don't understand why you continue to make up bullshit stories that are completely false.

For the record, there was no evacuation on the runway, the crew elected to have the pax disembark in an orderly fashion to the waiting busses rather than have them sit on the aircraft for 2 hours while the wheels were changed.
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Old 17th Aug 2012, 08:47
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well that might have ruined a good story with some truth!
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Old 17th Aug 2012, 09:51
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very well handling done by both flight n ground crew
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Old 17th Aug 2012, 21:28
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So... anyone cares to explain what happened? RTO? Airborn Emer? Blue Elefants?
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Old 17th Aug 2012, 23:37
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Heard from the Tung Chung refueller that it may have been a botched x-wind landing thence relieving a wheel or two of its much needed nitrogen....?
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Old 18th Aug 2012, 00:37
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very well handling done by both flight n ground crew
Except the crosswind handling possibly???
Old 18th Aug 2012, 03:14
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From the same source that told me LGW was cancelled while ALGOL debated it.

Botched landing in heavy crosswind.. Blew the tires.

Well handled indeed.
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Old 18th Aug 2012, 03:28
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It would be interesting to know the actual aeronautical experience of some of these clowns.If only the public knew,maybe they are doing us a favor,and salaries for experienced crews be more recognized.
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Old 18th Aug 2012, 05:39
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They will never learn

I have been around long enough and know what is going on and it is a complete mess at the moment.

HKA's first mistake was firing all the people years ago. Yes we know that’s in the past but that Singaporean's bad decision still hurts the company to this day. The result is years of difficulty finding quality pilots. The word was out. The word is still out. Unless your unemployed or from a low standard background stay away from HKA.

During these rapid expansion years what calibre pilot could they find? South Americans, Filipinos and some washed out Southern Europeans who may have 10 thousand hours in the logbook but clearly come from a culture where"standards" are questionable at best. Most of them will even admit how relaxed and bad it was. I do not wish to taint all with the same brush as there are some very good pilots from these countries but, as a generalization I know I am not the only one that thinks this. The level 3 or 4 English (communication) is very bad from some of these pilots.

So what we have seen is good quality and experienced pilots turned off by the past legacy of the Singaporeans and only third world and marginal pilots get hired. This was done in a time they needed anyone with a heartbeat and a pilot’s licence.

Finally the CAD is doing what it should have done back in the “runwayhotspot” days of a few years back and imposing restrictions on HKA until they get their act together. Do they really think the Chinese management has the ability to do that?

The company’s future is now with the narrow minded and backward culture of the mainland Chinese management who have never listened in the past and never will in the future. The festering scab that is the remaining Singaporeans needs to be removed or nothing will change.

What will happen to HKA? I believe it will continue for a long time to come.The standard will remain low. The working environment will always be bad. The pilots will always be disrespected. The cabin crew, ground engineers, ground staff and travelling public are now aware of the way the company treat its own people.

They are scrambling at the moment to give the impression of "weare a caring company and we can work together to achieve harmony" and they care about our welfare and morale, but this is just the typical reactive response when they get desperate. They do not and never will give a Shlt about anyone.

There will never be any forward thinking to try and solve any of the problems. Therefore HKA is doomed because they will never be able to compete with other airlines that offer an attractive and stable work environment. Pilots will come and go in droves like they always have and the high cost of training is ignored by the management. Want a free endorsement and a quick command? come to HKA and HKE. Then leave at the first opportunity.

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Old 18th Aug 2012, 16:33
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It was the same mechanical problem Emirates had on the same runway last Easter in their 380. Airbus has a problem.
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