Working on G days
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What would Yoda do??
Hmmm, again call me they did.
G-day it is.
CAN-NOT! my reply it was.
Powerful is the Dark Side. But much to learn about The Force they do!
G-day it is.
CAN-NOT! my reply it was.
Powerful is the Dark Side. But much to learn about The Force they do!
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They called me too AGAIN!!!
Not short of crew...Hmm, that now makes it 4 G day requests this month & it's only the 11th.
The call went straight through to the keeper... Crew Control must be sick of listening to all the dull tones of answering machines.
Not short of crew...Hmm, that now makes it 4 G day requests this month & it's only the 11th.
The call went straight through to the keeper... Crew Control must be sick of listening to all the dull tones of answering machines.
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Due to aircraft rotation, CX402 HKG-TPE on 7th of Jan and CX465 TPE-HKG on 8th of Jan were cancelled with passengers protected to other CX flights.
Philly old boy!!Above was due to pilots NOT willing to work G-days...
Keep it up guys..the heat is on!!!
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On Sunday, CX883 from Los Angeles was delayed 10 hours in Osaka as it waited for a replacement crew,
Maybe we should name and shame those G day workers!!.
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Maybe we should name and shame those G day workers!!.
I've suggested this before..have a NAME AND SHAME corner for these scabs on the notice board at dispatch...(with photos) for all to see who these pricks are!!
..and then we should "hunt 'em down,smoke 'em out" and shoot the
!!!
Drastic times call for drastic measures...
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Remember not everyone reads pprune, education is the name of the game, I've spoken to a couple of people and explained the G day call out for what it really is, and once they realised, A they were getting ripped off and B they were shafting their mates on reserve and so forth, they then agreed it was pointless to work G days. I also explained that my roster was a lot more stable not answering the phone or checking crew direct, so managed to actually plan and use my G/O days to good effect. However if the selfish ones once educated 
continue screw the rest of us, name and shame away 
continue screw the rest of us, name and shame away
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SMOC
Please explain how disrupting your own roster, by working a G day, shafts your mates on reserve? Are you implying he has to stay on reserve, not called out? Is that a bad thing? You obviously like working more than me!
Both CX and KA have had years of CC with little to show its effectiveness. KA had a few months of high departure rates and suddenly they get near 20% payrises. CC is a great focus for poor morale but the organisational effectiveness of it is far less than people suppose. It does, however, send a loud clarion call to the world of the state of unrest in the pilot body.
So in the meantime, if you want to work a G day because you are bored and 2.5% is appealing to you, go for it. If it takes you into overtime you will have been amply rewarded for disrupting your own roster. I think that stating that someone working a G day screws you is a little bit sophistic, to be honest. We need to average almost 9 Gs a month to satisfy AFTLS and 10Gs to satisfy the RPs. If individuals carrying out CC becomes a problem CX would just need to roster the minimum Gs and make the rest of the roster duties, O days and reserve.
Flame away;-)
Both CX and KA have had years of CC with little to show its effectiveness. KA had a few months of high departure rates and suddenly they get near 20% payrises. CC is a great focus for poor morale but the organisational effectiveness of it is far less than people suppose. It does, however, send a loud clarion call to the world of the state of unrest in the pilot body.
So in the meantime, if you want to work a G day because you are bored and 2.5% is appealing to you, go for it. If it takes you into overtime you will have been amply rewarded for disrupting your own roster. I think that stating that someone working a G day screws you is a little bit sophistic, to be honest. We need to average almost 9 Gs a month to satisfy AFTLS and 10Gs to satisfy the RPs. If individuals carrying out CC becomes a problem CX would just need to roster the minimum Gs and make the rest of the roster duties, O days and reserve.
Flame away;-)
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NC I thought you were the one that explained that a G day call out is cheaper than overtime. Personally I'd rather work on reserve, have a day off on a G day , go into overtime if required, and not have a flight pulled and end up on reserve because some guy/girl worked a G day.
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The only way you guys will get to draw a line with your company is if you all join the union and speak back to them in a collective voice. And dont complain that your union doesnt work...it doesnt work because you guys don't all join it. Its your own fault. Get yourselves all in the union and then you can start getting some respect and stop your company from malicious rostering. Who know, you may even be able to get yourselves a bidding system then. I am faced with the same problem...everyone where I am complains of a lack of power against the company...but only half the guys are in an association. You gotta have collective voice. Its the only way. Get everyone to vote on a course of action...
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routetuner...
Guilty feelings eh??
If you'd like YOUR name to go up 1st on the NAME and SHAME board,just ask nicely...
And next time you comment here,try and stick to the topic..
SMOC..I've done the same,spoken to FO's and SO's on my flights and one can only hope that more guys/gals will 'see the light' and stop working on their G's...
And for goodness sake..if you really HAVE to work on your G's..check the proffering board out..plenty of flights available..handsome amounts of money to be made AND you'll be helping out a mate
NC..still waiting on the AOA to give you direction??Not while ST is there..
Guilty feelings eh??
If you'd like YOUR name to go up 1st on the NAME and SHAME board,just ask nicely...
And next time you comment here,try and stick to the topic..
SMOC..I've done the same,spoken to FO's and SO's on my flights and one can only hope that more guys/gals will 'see the light' and stop working on their G's...
And for goodness sake..if you really HAVE to work on your G's..check the proffering board out..plenty of flights available..handsome amounts of money to be made AND you'll be helping out a mate
NC..still waiting on the AOA to give you direction??Not while ST is there..
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SMOC,
I don't remember ever doing that. I do remember explaining that even 'credit' reserve is gimme to the company.
Slapfaan,
not holding my breath for AOA direction....new GC, new pres, new direction!
Gentlemen(and ladies), my point is this. If things are quiet and the roster is fully manned then yes, crew control may(will?) ring people on G days to get them to work in order to maintain reserve coverage. After all, better a volunteer for a flight and a press ganged one on reserve - that is better for the stability of the operarion. But to get someone to give up a G day would surely result in more reward than the mathematically incorrect amount of 2.5%. I have not and will not ever let that amount influence any decision....the amount should be at least 5% based on the simple principle of 20days work a month and 10 Gs. To reward working on the G it should be a multiple of that before working, based on G day compensation, becomes financially a good decision.
Looking at the roster we have all seen the numerous flights short of crew until hours before the flight. So we are not in the normal situation of people working G's to minimise overtime. Most people I have been flying with, on the seniorS fleet, have been in overtime. So on this fleet working on G days would probably result in overtime or in you getting something that means more to you, like days off later in the month. This makes it more likely that those on reserve are called out later in the month and hence end up in overtime!
Let us assume half the workforce are happy to work Gs. They will most likely average a higher number of hours, and overtime, in compensation for missing out on an extra 3-4 days a month of time off. In the short term they will be limited by duty hour limits and table X rest. In the medium term they will be annual hours limited and the workload will increase on the other half that carried out individual contract compliance. So on an annual basis a shortage of crew will lead us all into the flying hour and duty hour limits. If we all carried out contract compliance now that would have a more limiting, but not necessarily debilitating effect. It would mean the cancellation of occasional flights.
So full scale CC would have some effect, but half hearted (or only half the crew) CC is a waste of time.
So I think this self appointed CC vigilantism is counter productive. I think it far more useful to have the entire aircrew body carrying it out - I suggest that be done as a democratically voted path. In the meantime, please refrain from sophistic statements such as "by working G days you are screwing your mates" - prove it!
I don't remember ever doing that. I do remember explaining that even 'credit' reserve is gimme to the company.
Slapfaan,
not holding my breath for AOA direction....new GC, new pres, new direction!
Gentlemen(and ladies), my point is this. If things are quiet and the roster is fully manned then yes, crew control may(will?) ring people on G days to get them to work in order to maintain reserve coverage. After all, better a volunteer for a flight and a press ganged one on reserve - that is better for the stability of the operarion. But to get someone to give up a G day would surely result in more reward than the mathematically incorrect amount of 2.5%. I have not and will not ever let that amount influence any decision....the amount should be at least 5% based on the simple principle of 20days work a month and 10 Gs. To reward working on the G it should be a multiple of that before working, based on G day compensation, becomes financially a good decision.
Looking at the roster we have all seen the numerous flights short of crew until hours before the flight. So we are not in the normal situation of people working G's to minimise overtime. Most people I have been flying with, on the seniorS fleet, have been in overtime. So on this fleet working on G days would probably result in overtime or in you getting something that means more to you, like days off later in the month. This makes it more likely that those on reserve are called out later in the month and hence end up in overtime!
Let us assume half the workforce are happy to work Gs. They will most likely average a higher number of hours, and overtime, in compensation for missing out on an extra 3-4 days a month of time off. In the short term they will be limited by duty hour limits and table X rest. In the medium term they will be annual hours limited and the workload will increase on the other half that carried out individual contract compliance. So on an annual basis a shortage of crew will lead us all into the flying hour and duty hour limits. If we all carried out contract compliance now that would have a more limiting, but not necessarily debilitating effect. It would mean the cancellation of occasional flights.
So full scale CC would have some effect, but half hearted (or only half the crew) CC is a waste of time.
So I think this self appointed CC vigilantism is counter productive. I think it far more useful to have the entire aircrew body carrying it out - I suggest that be done as a democratically voted path. In the meantime, please refrain from sophistic statements such as "by working G days you are screwing your mates" - prove it!
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Thanks
And I would like to thank the FO who either acknowledged crew direct or answered his phone on a G day. I am now quite a few thousand dollars overtime worse off after my flight disappeared. Oh, but they don't do that, you say - yeah right!
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About this G-day thing, I was studying for my Commercial written exam and there was some topics about duty hours and such. I don't know if it's international standards but I remember it to be 1200 hrs per year. Though most pilots don't work more than 1000, I was wondering if lets say you worked all those G-days and then you finished 1200 hours in 9 months, would you still get paid for the last 3 months? And are you paid overtime for your G-days?
Ah right, what are 'G-days' =P
Ah right, what are 'G-days' =P
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I stand corrected
It seems Crew Control are very much into calling people to work on G days so that they can maintain reserve coverage - I have been given examples of this on both the 400 and bus, for CNs at least. It seems they are not quite as short of crew as I thought! Thank you to those that let me know of these 'occurrences'.
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NC...
This practise is completely AGAINST our CoS..so is the AOA going to look into this and get CX to explain..or is this huge ABUSE of crew's G-days just going to get swept in under the carpet...
This practise is completely AGAINST our CoS..so is the AOA going to look into this and get CX to explain..or is this huge ABUSE of crew's G-days just going to get swept in under the carpet...
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What happened to g day compensation if you are back late from your pattern and you get extended into a G day. Thought it was part of COS 08 last year! Did that get lost in enforced translation beginning Jan 08?
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Here is an interesting one. Last week just before a block of reserve I get the usual "you have outstanding roster notification" message when logging onto crew direct. As is my right I decide not to look as I am on a block of G's and my reserve begins in the evening. I am not trying to be unhelpful/militant but I value my days off and don't want to hear from CX on them. Anyway on the last of my G's before the reserve starts the phone rings - 2747. The message left asks me to please call back and acknowledge the duty or to acknowledge via crewdirect!!!
I did neither and waited for my reserve to start and the phone to ring - which it did.
Since when are cc allowed to call on a G to try to make you acknowledge a future reserve duty? That smacks of desperation if you ask me.
I'll pass this on to the AOA and see if I get a response.
W2
I did neither and waited for my reserve to start and the phone to ring - which it did.
Since when are cc allowed to call on a G to try to make you acknowledge a future reserve duty? That smacks of desperation if you ask me.
I'll pass this on to the AOA and see if I get a response.
W2