AOA Reshuffle
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Yeah it pays out maybe for 5 YEARS!
which is probably half the amount you have payed in subs over the years to pay for the ridiculous cover in the first place. then where do you go with your one eye? into management?
Cpdude has hit the nail on the head, the AOA is dead!
the fact is they havent got the funds to mount any legal fight against the company and are to scared to raise subs because everyone will leave, so what good are they really? its all hot air.
which is probably half the amount you have payed in subs over the years to pay for the ridiculous cover in the first place. then where do you go with your one eye? into management?
Cpdude has hit the nail on the head, the AOA is dead!
the fact is they havent got the funds to mount any legal fight against the company and are to scared to raise subs because everyone will leave, so what good are they really? its all hot air.
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Simple really
Ganker it is the chicken and the egg theory and it has been done to death on these forums but alas i feel i should comment.
People quiting or not joining the AoA because of fees are the real problem here. If the union had 90%+ membership we wouldnt have these problems, we would have a strong union who had the support of the pilot body to make "Ballsy" decisions!!!
How fricken simple is it???
It sounds like the guy who is whinging about his roster change after answering a call from crew control on a G day!!!!
So the only real way to criticise this union is to push for 90%+ membership and then see how they perform!
People quiting or not joining the AoA because of fees are the real problem here. If the union had 90%+ membership we wouldnt have these problems, we would have a strong union who had the support of the pilot body to make "Ballsy" decisions!!!
How fricken simple is it???
It sounds like the guy who is whinging about his roster change after answering a call from crew control on a G day!!!!
So the only real way to criticise this union is to push for 90%+ membership and then see how they perform!
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Fenwicksgirl, how out of touch with reality are you??
The AOA had well over 90% membership during the 49er incident and was never stronger. How much support did the AOA offer then? Where was that dream team legal protection so many AOA muppets talk about? All the membership did was upgrade into those 49 position, then put a ban on in hopes outsiders could solve their own problem.
New slogan:
AOA NO WAY
The AOA had well over 90% membership during the 49er incident and was never stronger. How much support did the AOA offer then? Where was that dream team legal protection so many AOA muppets talk about? All the membership did was upgrade into those 49 position, then put a ban on in hopes outsiders could solve their own problem.
New slogan:
AOA NO WAY
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Fenwick I have been a member of the AOA since I joined and have stuck through thick and thin. I am just stating the facts. As was rightly pointed out the membership was strong when they sacked the 49ers ,and as most pilots do we ran for the hills, bar a few and looked after number one!
Things like when the rostering got voted down, LETS HAVE ANOTHER VOTE ITS NOT THE MAJORITY! start happening you must start looking at the overall committee and their priorities? They set democracy back to the stone age after that and have done nothing since to change my mind. Take the latest pay issues! WTF are they doing about that? Nothing! Head back in the sand and hope it blows over.
I keep justifying why i remain a member and it is as you stated maybe if it was more a majority it might make a difference. That is getting harder to justify and the option of another 1 and a hlf % pay rise to myself is looking better.
Things like when the rostering got voted down, LETS HAVE ANOTHER VOTE ITS NOT THE MAJORITY! start happening you must start looking at the overall committee and their priorities? They set democracy back to the stone age after that and have done nothing since to change my mind. Take the latest pay issues! WTF are they doing about that? Nothing! Head back in the sand and hope it blows over.
I keep justifying why i remain a member and it is as you stated maybe if it was more a majority it might make a difference. That is getting harder to justify and the option of another 1 and a hlf % pay rise to myself is looking better.
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rejoiners
Anyone who left the AOA did so for a reason, that situation may have changed and a door should be left open for them to join with " no provisos", no back payments etc . Maybe some will rejoin.
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How about a new structure for the GC, where each demographic within CX (and KA if amalgamated) is represented by someone within that group?
Such a GC would ideally consist of (for example) a mixture of CNs, FOs, and SOs of various scale and basings that can be the conduits for issues presented within their particular demographic. Or if this is deemed to create a GC that is too large, then at least have these members as POCs that report to the GC on such issues.
Benefits of this system would be that every member would know who their POC was and would feel more confident to express their opinion or raise their issue, not to mention the increased experience and succession planning within the AOA.
Food for thought...?
TM
Such a GC would ideally consist of (for example) a mixture of CNs, FOs, and SOs of various scale and basings that can be the conduits for issues presented within their particular demographic. Or if this is deemed to create a GC that is too large, then at least have these members as POCs that report to the GC on such issues.
Benefits of this system would be that every member would know who their POC was and would feel more confident to express their opinion or raise their issue, not to mention the increased experience and succession planning within the AOA.
Food for thought...?
TM
