New notice to crew re fuel saving.
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New notice to crew re fuel saving.
Right chaps,
Company offering ****e pay deal, slashing away at our terms and conditions and an increase command time due to the possibly of RA65.
Dear crew, please save us more money as oil have gone up in price again.
What are your thoughts???? CFP fuel or reduce if available!!!
Company offering ****e pay deal, slashing away at our terms and conditions and an increase command time due to the possibly of RA65.
Dear crew, please save us more money as oil have gone up in price again.
What are your thoughts???? CFP fuel or reduce if available!!!
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Here is what I've been doing;
-Even the slightest forecast of bad weather...more fuel.
-Cost index remains the same at all times due to uncertainty of winds.
-I request steps when the CFP calls for them, I don't get creative.
-I taxi at the speed of mud...safety first.
-Most restrictive interpretation of the MELs & CDLs.
...Management has chosen to show us how they lead, so I've learned how to apply my self to the job from watching them. All that lead by example ****t...
I am an army of one.
-Even the slightest forecast of bad weather...more fuel.
-Cost index remains the same at all times due to uncertainty of winds.
-I request steps when the CFP calls for them, I don't get creative.
-I taxi at the speed of mud...safety first.
-Most restrictive interpretation of the MELs & CDLs.
...Management has chosen to show us how they lead, so I've learned how to apply my self to the job from watching them. All that lead by example ****t...
I am an army of one.
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Dis incentive
The total payrise they offered equated to around 2-3% of fuel burn. They should offer to split the savings on fuel burn. Then we could get a payrise that is funded out of fuel savings and CX still saves money on fuel.
Issuing this NTC shows us where the real focus of management is. Aircrew costs are fixed and not an issue...so now its time to focus on fuel costs.
Issuing this NTC shows us where the real focus of management is. Aircrew costs are fixed and not an issue...so now its time to focus on fuel costs.
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Do they really think that after the last pay offer we are going to cut 500kg of fuel because I'm taking off on 25 going to TPE.
It also goes to show on how removed management is from the daily operations in and around HKG. With the traffic congestions and average weather around these days, they must be smoking something!
It also goes to show on how removed management is from the daily operations in and around HKG. With the traffic congestions and average weather around these days, they must be smoking something!
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Aagghh
So Captain Bloggs, we see you had to divert to Kaoushung as you didnt have enough fuel to hold in Taipei for the unscheduled runway inspection that caused a flow on effect. We see you reduced fuel in line with our current policy so no problems, we take full responsibility, you have a lovely day sir.
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I see in the latest "notice to crew" regarding the fuel saving measures, that they stopped short of saying " no go-arounds either "...
But I have an idea how to save A LOT of costs (management - take note!):
Why not park all the aeroplanes!! That way, the fuel cost will come down to zero, the pilot shortage problem will be history, and the bonuses of managers will be astronomical - well..at least for a while!!!
Go for it boys..(and girls too these days!). With the typhoon season around, one can NEVER have too much fuel in tanks (especially with honey and the kids on-board!!)
If you really want to make the headlines, I can think of many (better) ways!! " Underpaid and overworked CX pilot saves the day "...
But I have an idea how to save A LOT of costs (management - take note!):
Why not park all the aeroplanes!! That way, the fuel cost will come down to zero, the pilot shortage problem will be history, and the bonuses of managers will be astronomical - well..at least for a while!!!
Go for it boys..(and girls too these days!). With the typhoon season around, one can NEVER have too much fuel in tanks (especially with honey and the kids on-board!!)
If you really want to make the headlines, I can think of many (better) ways!! " Underpaid and overworked CX pilot saves the day "...
they actually believe the c
they write. ( the company that is )
I will NEVER EVER decide how much fuel to uplift based on the price of the fuel.
If I can justify extra, then extra it is.
they write. ( the company that is )I will NEVER EVER decide how much fuel to uplift based on the price of the fuel.
If I can justify extra, then extra it is.
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Cross Posted from DPA Web Site - with replies
FUEL TERMINOLOGY
Due to the confusion arising with regard to fuel, while operating a number of various types of aircraft in this Company, we intend to introduce a new fuel quantity system.
This system will relate to all aircraft and hence reduce the errors associated when, for example, the Bell 206 gauge is calibrated in us gallons, the Bell 206L is in pounds.
Chockas: This is the term to describe the "Full Tanks" condition. The term is a universal one, already in common usage by aircrew worldwide. It is envisaged that it will replace the old "Full Tanks" term and be incorporated into the ICAO system.
Heaps:While not Chokas, this fuel condition means that fuel is no problem at the pre-flight stage. If a flight is undertaken with Heaps fuel the pilot can choose to do extra flying at the client's request.
Fair Bit: If carrying more fuel than is required to do a particular flight, then you are said to have a Fair Bit of fuel The term applies to post-flight as well as to pre-flight. The pilot in command should aim to land with a Fair Bit of fuel. However extra flying can be undertaken if required, so long as the aircraft lands with Nuff fuel (See below)
Nuff: This refers to the "Minimum-fuel" required fora particular flight. The term has been shortened from the old wordage "Enough", as it is believed that most pilots have difficulty with words of more than one syllable. Pilots must land with Nuff fuel at all times although it is advised that crew plan to land with Fair Bit of fuel. Landing with less than Nuff will get the pilot in command an interview with the Chief Pilot.
Smidge: This term is used for the ordering of fuel. If the fuel load is slightly under what is required for flight, then a Smidge can be ordered to bring it up toNuff. Landing Smidge under Nuff is cause for concern
F/All: Dry tanks (not good). While some tanks can be reduced to F/All, it is considered bad practice Reducing all tanks to F/ All is possibly fatal
REPLY 1.A "****load" of fuel works quite well too
REPLY 2.
When the other pilot says how much he wants always remember to suggest a "tadge more".
REPLY 3.
You forgot a "bees dick". Most commonly encountered when you have a problem that causes you to land with a bees dick more than your fixed reserve.
REPLY 4.
While I understand that "NUFF" is a reserve fuel I have always used a buffer amount called "For Mum and The Kids".
I trust this cross post shows what is happening at your 'little' Airline across the road.
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Save fuel ?
Don't forget there are times when you will want to carry the bare minimum.
Like say forecast TX in the area. Delayed departure to coincide with busier arrival traffic at destination. Local knowledge of factors outside of flight planning contingencies.
This way, we could also add value to our customers' experience by adding extra stops to their trip. Thereby broadening their horizons. This could also be charged extra for, as in say an "extra landing" surcharge on the ticket.
The decision making process is packed with danger !!
FG
Like say forecast TX in the area. Delayed departure to coincide with busier arrival traffic at destination. Local knowledge of factors outside of flight planning contingencies.
This way, we could also add value to our customers' experience by adding extra stops to their trip. Thereby broadening their horizons. This could also be charged extra for, as in say an "extra landing" surcharge on the ticket.
The decision making process is packed with danger !!
FG
