Hong Kong Airlines - more resignations?
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A very good move 
Better pay and conditions, get to live at home ( if u an aussie ) and they have a, shock horror...................................... upgrade programme.
Just like a real airline
Better pay and conditions, get to live at home ( if u an aussie ) and they have a, shock horror...................................... upgrade programme.
Just like a real airline
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If going home is what you want, then, it is great!! As for the "shock horror" up-grade programme. Well, If that's your idea of a "real airline" Then you are either very naive or very old fashioned! Good luck with the shock horror up-grade, hope you learn heaps, become a better pilot and benefit from their wisdom!
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Each to their own, and I've never been down to OZ diablo, and maybe you've come from down under, with the relevant experience to be able to write off VB as being competent, however facts are facts..
VB do indeed have an upgrade program and that means guys will be flying in the left hand seat at some point. You will be back home or close to it. You will also won't have the pollution to deal with. Other terms and conditions are unknown but these things in itself are pretty big selling points, guys will be willing to take it if it means a quicker command with the added bonus of being at home.
At HKA, there is no upgrade program and that is a fact, you are away from home and you do have to put up with the pollution.
Seems that you're being a bit harsh on Mr Fooey, as getting into the left hand seat as well as enjoying your flying (and lifestyle) is pretty much what most pilots want, no?.. and yes, I have no idea what lifestyle you're likely to get, or if VB have lied to guys, but I'm sure anyone willing to join them aren't going in there without some idea of whats it all about OR they do know, AND its still a better option than being here.
VB do indeed have an upgrade program and that means guys will be flying in the left hand seat at some point. You will be back home or close to it. You will also won't have the pollution to deal with. Other terms and conditions are unknown but these things in itself are pretty big selling points, guys will be willing to take it if it means a quicker command with the added bonus of being at home.
At HKA, there is no upgrade program and that is a fact, you are away from home and you do have to put up with the pollution.
Seems that you're being a bit harsh on Mr Fooey, as getting into the left hand seat as well as enjoying your flying (and lifestyle) is pretty much what most pilots want, no?.. and yes, I have no idea what lifestyle you're likely to get, or if VB have lied to guys, but I'm sure anyone willing to join them aren't going in there without some idea of whats it all about OR they do know, AND its still a better option than being here.
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Good grief Diablo 
, you miss the point entirely. A clear and concise command path and upgrade programme is a fundamental basis for career progression. There is no such thing as marking time in this game. If you are not or "cannot" (theres that phrase again) work towards your career advancement, the rest of the world is passing you by. If you are happy to be a career FO, then good luck to you. However most of us are keen to get moving and while the powers that be "dick around" they are preventing us from advancing our careers.
Lets face it, 6 months to line, no command upgrade programme, delayed aircraft delivery, cr@p pay and conditions, this is not a place to advance your career as things stand right now. Maybe things will change, maybe they wont, no wonder people are looking elsewhere. But hey, keep deluding yourself that such things don't matter if it makes you feel better
, you miss the point entirely. A clear and concise command path and upgrade programme is a fundamental basis for career progression. There is no such thing as marking time in this game. If you are not or "cannot" (theres that phrase again) work towards your career advancement, the rest of the world is passing you by. If you are happy to be a career FO, then good luck to you. However most of us are keen to get moving and while the powers that be "dick around" they are preventing us from advancing our careers.Lets face it, 6 months to line, no command upgrade programme, delayed aircraft delivery, cr@p pay and conditions, this is not a place to advance your career as things stand right now. Maybe things will change, maybe they wont, no wonder people are looking elsewhere. But hey, keep deluding yourself that such things don't matter if it makes you feel better
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Wasn't being harsh with Fooy.
Still trying to get your point from the last post! However, your description of VB is all speculation. Hardly factual! They're all tared with the same brush, HKA VB and the rest of them. But you're correct about the clean air.
Wasn't being harsh with Fooy.
Still trying to get your point from the last post! However, your description of VB is all speculation. Hardly factual! They're all tared with the same brush, HKA VB and the rest of them. But you're correct about the clean air.
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Whats with the agro? Did I touch a raw nerve? I'm not trying to support HKA or others of similar ilk.
I just passed a comment regarding someone's idea of an up-grade programme. Please, don't shoot from the hip, a good Captain wouldn't do that. Let that be your first lesson towards the up-grade!
Whats with the agro? Did I touch a raw nerve? I'm not trying to support HKA or others of similar ilk.
I just passed a comment regarding someone's idea of an up-grade programme. Please, don't shoot from the hip, a good Captain wouldn't do that. Let that be your first lesson towards the up-grade!
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Gee Diablo, thanks so much for those profound pearls of wisdom. I now feel so much more equiped to handle the chance of an upgrade when ever the opportunity may come my way.
The "agro" is with the attitude that the lack of an upgrade programme doesnt seem to matter. Maybe it doesnt to you, but there are quite a few fellows to whom this particular issue matters a great deal.
The "agro" is with the attitude that the lack of an upgrade programme doesnt seem to matter. Maybe it doesnt to you, but there are quite a few fellows to whom this particular issue matters a great deal.
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Yeah ..fat on FO's but upgrades seem to coming to fruition.. (I know..I am laughing that I even wrote it, but hey..you gotta believe in something... and I think I ate the easter bunny @ a Dim Sum restraunt yesterday.)
My pick is not JP at all.
My pick is not JP at all.
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There you go again! Shooting from the hip! Please, milky bar kid. Put your pop gun back in its holster and cool your heels.
I've never indicated that up-grade program's don't matter. Those are your words. I was refering to the quality of some up-grade program's. Any reasonable individual recognises the need for such things.
I can understand your right seat frustration, but your allowing this to cloud your judgment. Your posts are proof of this. Is it any wonder you don't have that precious command? Remember its a privilege not a right.
Maybe some anger management is in order.
There you go again! Shooting from the hip! Please, milky bar kid. Put your pop gun back in its holster and cool your heels.
I've never indicated that up-grade program's don't matter. Those are your words. I was refering to the quality of some up-grade program's. Any reasonable individual recognises the need for such things.
I can understand your right seat frustration, but your allowing this to cloud your judgment. Your posts are proof of this. Is it any wonder you don't have that precious command? Remember its a privilege not a right.
Maybe some anger management is in order.
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Not sure you understand me, or my sarcasm Diablo.
I was referring to VB, and the airlines I have worked for ( not to mention the 1000s I have'nt worked for, that have an upgrade programme ) having an upgrade programme for their FOs, unlike HKA at the moment.
If you mis-understood my comments, then fine.
If not, you are an uninformed moron who deserves all the vitriole El Kabonger can dish out. Who the hell are you to question VBs training ability.
I could'nt give a rats either way, I am a left seater, have been for over a decade. Just feel bad for the FOs, most of whom deserve a go.
I was referring to VB, and the airlines I have worked for ( not to mention the 1000s I have'nt worked for, that have an upgrade programme ) having an upgrade programme for their FOs, unlike HKA at the moment.
If you mis-understood my comments, then fine.
If not, you are an uninformed moron who deserves all the vitriole El Kabonger can dish out. Who the hell are you to question VBs training ability.
I could'nt give a rats either way, I am a left seater, have been for over a decade. Just feel bad for the FOs, most of whom deserve a go.
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Most of your 29 posts are aggressive and immature. If its true you've had the left seat for >10yrs, you should be ashamed of yourself. You've learnt nothing in your time as a leader! I hope for your crew and pax you don't lose your cool in the cockpit like you frequently do here in prune. The only programme you need, is what I recommended to el kab!
Most of your 29 posts are aggressive and immature. If its true you've had the left seat for >10yrs, you should be ashamed of yourself. You've learnt nothing in your time as a leader! I hope for your crew and pax you don't lose your cool in the cockpit like you frequently do here in prune. The only programme you need, is what I recommended to el kab!
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If you think that wanting to improve employment conditions is "screaming for help" then you really are a monkey willing to put his hand out for peanuts while the organ grinder cranks your tail. But hey, its probably the only gig you could get. And besides, if I was looking for help it wouldn't be from the likes of you. I should imagine that your advice would be pretty much like contracting a dose of venereal disease!! Feels good at the time but the long term ramifications are pretty ugly.