CATHAY PACIFC: A really really big flight school.
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CATHAY PACIFC: A really really big flight school.
Checkrides galore...countless written tests...endless linechecks....all the BS just to "keep" my job.
anybody else feel the same way?
The majority of your CX career will be spent taking tests....
FUK I HATE THIS PLACE!!!!!!
PLEASE GET ME OUT OF HERE!!!!
anybody else feel the same way?
The majority of your CX career will be spent taking tests....
FUK I HATE THIS PLACE!!!!!!
PLEASE GET ME OUT OF HERE!!!!
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A/T less,
There is nothing wrong with line checks or PCs as a certain standard has to be maintained.
The problem arises when line check reports and write ups are influenced by factors other than performance.
Most people happy at CX apart from A scalers, are ones that came here with no real experience (single engine, light twin etc), or come from places where you virtually had to beg for jobs.
They just don't know any better.
There is nothing wrong with line checks or PCs as a certain standard has to be maintained.
The problem arises when line check reports and write ups are influenced by factors other than performance.
Most people happy at CX apart from A scalers, are ones that came here with no real experience (single engine, light twin etc), or come from places where you virtually had to beg for jobs.
They just don't know any better.
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Now if I was a miserable sh1t, (which I'm not), I would be saying to myself,
"Here we have Hot Dog, thirty plus years with the company, huge provident fund etc. etc. happily retired"
"And in the Blue Corner we have Hostile123, six years with the company, bitterly disillusioned, didn't make it, can't get over it, won't let it go, likely to do himself severe and permanent damage".
"Here we have Hot Dog, thirty plus years with the company, huge provident fund etc. etc. happily retired"
"And in the Blue Corner we have Hostile123, six years with the company, bitterly disillusioned, didn't make it, can't get over it, won't let it go, likely to do himself severe and permanent damage".
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The pay deal......
Rumour has it that we are going to be offered A scale in return for 90 hours per month, age 60 and 3 man ultra long haul.
Boy WHAT A DEAL !!!
Let me do the numbers...... if we had been given regular pay increments to keep up with inflation then we would all be earning more than the unadjusted A scale. A scale guys haven't had an increase since....well a long time ago anyway.
Hang on......if we give them all that then they won't have a crewing problem.....and then we won't have any bargaining power !!
Boy WHAT A DEAL !!!
Let me do the numbers...... if we had been given regular pay increments to keep up with inflation then we would all be earning more than the unadjusted A scale. A scale guys haven't had an increase since....well a long time ago anyway.
Hang on......if we give them all that then they won't have a crewing problem.....and then we won't have any bargaining power !!
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Don't need to bend over Hostile, I'm retired, like Hot Dog, but I am thinking what a difficult path you are weaving for yourself, so much bile, so much venom. Has it ever occurred to you that whatever problems you are having now with CX may still be there in another company? You are six years down the track from your last employer and maybe it won't be just like it was before? Your expectations are probably higher, early command etc. your new employer may not meet them, how will you feel then?
I could well be wrong but I get the idea that within your short career with CX you may have been baulked along the way? A 'do it again' check ride or just a bad report, maybe a failed upgrade? Hard to believe anyone could be so bitter otherwise.
I could well be wrong but I get the idea that within your short career with CX you may have been baulked along the way? A 'do it again' check ride or just a bad report, maybe a failed upgrade? Hard to believe anyone could be so bitter otherwise.
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Ah no actually that's not the case. I.m just very very disappointed with the complete lack of any spirit in this airline. It is devoid of life. Why don't you read your own post again. You talk about airlines changeing. Could it be that since you retired Captain Charisma, that the almightly CX may have changed a tad. Please read my other posts and spare me the "must have failed a sim ride" bollocks'.I know it is hard for you to believe but there are other pilots other than Cathay Pacific A scale captains that can fly an aircraft to a high standard. Get your head out of your @rse!
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In this corner, we have cx retired pilots and some senior pilots.
Conditions:
A Scale salary their whole career at CX
A Scale Provident Fund
Medical Cover (Unlimited) for whole family with worldwide cover
Travel Fund (based on First Class Travel) plus FOC Travel (contained into their COS)
Benefits Not Taxed
DEFO positions with the higher A scale pay (BTW it takes a 13-15 year B scale Capt to reach the pay of a 5-7 year A scale F/O)
Some with very short time before command
No Review Board (for those Cat’B ings or QL upgrades)
No Junior First Officer Positions
No Second Officer Positions
Made lots of money on housing.
= happy cx pilot and willing to work on lower conditions then their co-workers
In this corner, we have the New CX Pilot
B Scale introduced In 94
B Scale P-fund with Fidelity at the helm, no currency protection there folks.
Reduce Medical Care i.e. Limited amount and only in HK and country of domicile
No travel funds with useless FOC travel. Your travel fund is based on First Class travel. Our FOC’s are in cattle class.
Benefits are all taxed, more tax to pay on our reduced salary so less pay in our pocket equals pay cut
Longer times to command
Review Board to base your performance on what you said to some a$$ that deserved it or based on a report that you were not debriefed on, etc,
DESO Positions with longer times to pay increases
Cannot afford to by a house big enough for the family.
= One pissed off cx pilot.
Some of you have no idea of what the pilots at lower end of the food chain have for conditions. It was all signed away in 94 when most COS conditions are now at the company’s discretion and amended from time to time, salary change, provident fund change, etc. It did not affect me attitude.
All those failed upgrades must have been justified, just like the 49ers! But I think we might have hashed that one out before.
Is there something about living in another mans shoes before judging him.
Can I just have the A scale salary and the P-fund and do my 15 years. Some have stayed 25 years.
Conditions:
A Scale salary their whole career at CX
A Scale Provident Fund
Medical Cover (Unlimited) for whole family with worldwide cover
Travel Fund (based on First Class Travel) plus FOC Travel (contained into their COS)
Benefits Not Taxed
DEFO positions with the higher A scale pay (BTW it takes a 13-15 year B scale Capt to reach the pay of a 5-7 year A scale F/O)
Some with very short time before command
No Review Board (for those Cat’B ings or QL upgrades)
No Junior First Officer Positions
No Second Officer Positions
Made lots of money on housing.
= happy cx pilot and willing to work on lower conditions then their co-workers
In this corner, we have the New CX Pilot
B Scale introduced In 94
B Scale P-fund with Fidelity at the helm, no currency protection there folks.
Reduce Medical Care i.e. Limited amount and only in HK and country of domicile
No travel funds with useless FOC travel. Your travel fund is based on First Class travel. Our FOC’s are in cattle class.
Benefits are all taxed, more tax to pay on our reduced salary so less pay in our pocket equals pay cut
Longer times to command
Review Board to base your performance on what you said to some a$$ that deserved it or based on a report that you were not debriefed on, etc,
DESO Positions with longer times to pay increases
Cannot afford to by a house big enough for the family.
= One pissed off cx pilot.
Some of you have no idea of what the pilots at lower end of the food chain have for conditions. It was all signed away in 94 when most COS conditions are now at the company’s discretion and amended from time to time, salary change, provident fund change, etc. It did not affect me attitude.
All those failed upgrades must have been justified, just like the 49ers! But I think we might have hashed that one out before.
Is there something about living in another mans shoes before judging him.
Can I just have the A scale salary and the P-fund and do my 15 years. Some have stayed 25 years.
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Due to the “flight school issue” citing my own post from thread “Is there any HAPPY Pilots @ CX????“:
“6 months training before released – pure waste of money, that’s it! They should rather spend it for profit sharing.This everlasting inferior complex of “second choice airlines”! Under all means they want to demonstrate that they are even smarter than major airlines, and that it was them who invented flying.This is how it looks from the outside. Good luck to those who leave this circus!”
I can only agree and sympathize with A/T less and hostile23. There are too many of these “bend-over characters” among pilots. They should take an example how determined French truck drivers are to defend their goals instead of committing how thankful they are about their jobs. For airline managers surely an easy game!
“6 months training before released – pure waste of money, that’s it! They should rather spend it for profit sharing.This everlasting inferior complex of “second choice airlines”! Under all means they want to demonstrate that they are even smarter than major airlines, and that it was them who invented flying.This is how it looks from the outside. Good luck to those who leave this circus!”
I can only agree and sympathize with A/T less and hostile23. There are too many of these “bend-over characters” among pilots. They should take an example how determined French truck drivers are to defend their goals instead of committing how thankful they are about their jobs. For airline managers surely an easy game!
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Thanks Bloggsy,
Says it well good post.
I think these A scale Cathay types that basically fell on their sword in 94 should really just move on. They have no place and no real right to make a comment on Cathay in it's present demoralised condition. Enjoy your retirement Parabellum, we're paying for it! Don't ever forget that!
Says it well good post.
I think these A scale Cathay types that basically fell on their sword in 94 should really just move on. They have no place and no real right to make a comment on Cathay in it's present demoralised condition. Enjoy your retirement Parabellum, we're paying for it! Don't ever forget that!
B scales have been with us for 13 years or so now and not all of us are as pissed off or demoralised as you make out. In fact, some of us are actually quite happy. Sure, things could always be better, but constant whingeing doesn't solve a damn thing.
What is it that makes A/T Less, Hostile 23 and Bloggs et al so different from the majority of B-scalers? Attitude perhaps, or just immaturity?
PS. I am most definitely a B-scaler.
PPS. Inciter, I came here with a LOT of previous experience, yet I manage to be reasonably happy in my job, contrary to your assertion.
What is it that makes A/T Less, Hostile 23 and Bloggs et al so different from the majority of B-scalers? Attitude perhaps, or just immaturity?
PS. I am most definitely a B-scaler.
PPS. Inciter, I came here with a LOT of previous experience, yet I manage to be reasonably happy in my job, contrary to your assertion.
Last edited by BuzzBox; 31st May 2007 at 02:41.
