Leaving CX.
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Maybe I was! Still a pile of left seat self indulgant types there as well. Reading some of your previous posts proves that to me without doubt!!
I just love the "that's what FO's are for" remark. What were you thinking? Thanks for the invitation to the 777 fleet 'sir', but I've had enough of being a whipping boy for a while at least.
I just love the "that's what FO's are for" remark. What were you thinking? Thanks for the invitation to the 777 fleet 'sir', but I've had enough of being a whipping boy for a while at least.
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ACMS, if the 777 is so great, then why is one of the 777 guys ( a real sharp F/O ) prepare to go back to AFRICA!! as he was happier there ??? He resigned last month...
Good on you H23, will follow you in the near future! Just 2 items to tick in the H.Kong box.....not the CX box, best to forget most they "teach"
Good on you H23, will follow you in the near future! Just 2 items to tick in the H.Kong box.....not the CX box, best to forget most they "teach"
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ACMS have you ever stopped and thought about why you are so amazed by the responses here? No? Maybe you have been so indoctrinated you can't think away from the Cathay system. You cannot actually imagine why someone could possibly leave? Are you familiar with the term "institutionalised"? Enjoy being a NR whipping boy boss. Personally I've got a litttle more pride than to just sit back and take it up the @ss.
I know why people leave cx. The management suck and I guess the training isn't all that fantastic to some people on some fleets.
There are Horses for courses, but if you think the next paddock is greener then you are only fooling yourself, It aint always so.
One hell of a lot of guys and girls manage to fit in here somehow. Just accept you didn't and move on.
Oh and stop having snipes at the LHS guys all the time, we are no worse or no better than other legacy carriers. CRM does exist in CX, just not in all cockpits.
If you fly with me you'll get to do what you want when you want and how you want, as long as it's within SOP's.
ok?
There are Horses for courses, but if you think the next paddock is greener then you are only fooling yourself, It aint always so.
One hell of a lot of guys and girls manage to fit in here somehow. Just accept you didn't and move on.
Oh and stop having snipes at the LHS guys all the time, we are no worse or no better than other legacy carriers. CRM does exist in CX, just not in all cockpits.
If you fly with me you'll get to do what you want when you want and how you want, as long as it's within SOP's.
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Hostile.
You have had your extended bleat.
Now can you please move along and try and maintain some semblance of dignity?
Think your new lords and masters have already got you spotted with all the clues you have left lying around.
You have had your extended bleat.
Now can you please move along and try and maintain some semblance of dignity?
Think your new lords and masters have already got you spotted with all the clues you have left lying around.
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Nullaman, I hear you... However...
A man does need a place to vent.
And I appreciate his view.
I can assure you, this is part of the reason why there is a pilot shortage. Skygods, old ideas, no money.. etc...
BTW 23, I'm just in the process of converting my Aussie licence to the JAA... What's my chances with Easy
A man does need a place to vent.
And I appreciate his view.
I can assure you, this is part of the reason why there is a pilot shortage. Skygods, old ideas, no money.. etc...
BTW 23, I'm just in the process of converting my Aussie licence to the JAA... What's my chances with Easy
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"One hell of a lot of guys and girls manage to fit in here somehow. Just accept you didn't and move on."
If this is true, why do I have to listen to B1tch'n and moan'in from 90% of these guys and girls about eroding C.o.S, training etc. for the last 8 years??
Why have so many of my mates failed command/ Relief or some check in this "career airline" ?
The grass might not be that much greener on the other side but they don't fire 49 guys for no apparent reason
If this is true, why do I have to listen to B1tch'n and moan'in from 90% of these guys and girls about eroding C.o.S, training etc. for the last 8 years??
Why have so many of my mates failed command/ Relief or some check in this "career airline" ?
The grass might not be that much greener on the other side but they don't fire 49 guys for no apparent reason
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TBH I'm very surprised pilots are leaving CX for easy. They're hardly a happy ship. Pilots are leaving there in droves. I know loads of Easyjet pilots and most want out. Many are even taking demotions to go to other airlines.
I suppose it's a grass is greener thing.
I suppose it's a grass is greener thing.
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I've sat on enough jumpseats to know that pilots complain EVERYWHERE. Even SWA, FedEx and UPS, one can always find someone who is pissed off. Cathay IS the greener grass to a US regional pilot. Maybe I'll find out it isn't but for now I am ready for a change and am looking forward to it.
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Fly with ACMS and I'll get to do "what I want when I want how I want", sorry mate but that just ain't the Cathay way. It's more like "i am priveledged to do what you want when you want and how you want as long as I ask for permission to speak first". I stand by my comments. I can also feel the pro Cathay zombies circling so that's it for me. Enjoy the caning boys while you choke to death. You're all very strange.
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Everybody has the right to vent their opinion and the grass can be greener sometimes, it certainly was for me. Not all the management and training "sucks" at CX, there are some good ones especially sim trainers!!!
Good luck to anyone who moves on in the world and attempts to improve their career.
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Good luck to anyone who moves on in the world and attempts to improve their career.
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I am a critic of the training, and had a couple of run in; hick up’s myself with the “system”.
I just complete a four sector Safety Pilot flight. The trainer was fantastic. Give the F/O (freighter guy with some experience) really good inputs. Made the student feel relaxed. Very fair in his comments. There are a lot of trainers like this in C.X.
The problem is the culture is created on the 3rd floor, supported by a few on the line. These are the same guys that is very dodgy when you fly with them, or do a sim with them. But they always come back with the “so busy in the office, should fly the line a bit more” that make them feel better.
First question you are asked when you mention you have a check coming is “who with”.
90% of the time your mate would say “Fair guy” But beware you get the wrong guy on the wrong day, which can cost you for a loooong time in C.X.
For the 90% of good trainers in C.X. , you know who you are, and thank you, but can you not change the culture from the bottom up??
Let’s start by getting rid of the Star Chamber, that was so sugar coated in a recent publication, and trust our checker’s with a Pass or Fail.
What is with this Cat A,B,C,D sh1t. I want to be Proficient every flight. You have a P.C. twice a year, and a line check once a year to HELP me stay proficient, and on track for my command.
I just complete a four sector Safety Pilot flight. The trainer was fantastic. Give the F/O (freighter guy with some experience) really good inputs. Made the student feel relaxed. Very fair in his comments. There are a lot of trainers like this in C.X.
The problem is the culture is created on the 3rd floor, supported by a few on the line. These are the same guys that is very dodgy when you fly with them, or do a sim with them. But they always come back with the “so busy in the office, should fly the line a bit more” that make them feel better.
First question you are asked when you mention you have a check coming is “who with”.
90% of the time your mate would say “Fair guy” But beware you get the wrong guy on the wrong day, which can cost you for a loooong time in C.X.
For the 90% of good trainers in C.X. , you know who you are, and thank you, but can you not change the culture from the bottom up??
Let’s start by getting rid of the Star Chamber, that was so sugar coated in a recent publication, and trust our checker’s with a Pass or Fail.
What is with this Cat A,B,C,D sh1t. I want to be Proficient every flight. You have a P.C. twice a year, and a line check once a year to HELP me stay proficient, and on track for my command.
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Sorry, the thread is “leaving C.X.” So back to the topic. It is not only the crew leaving. People in some senior positions in other departments are bailing as well. Working for the BRAND NAME is just not enough.
Had a chat with F.M (yup, the eye candy) Manageress from Cabin Crew Services. She is out of C.X. (to their surprise) to go and work for Disneyland. Could not help but laugh, to think even Mickey Mouse offer a better deal.
Had a chat with F.M (yup, the eye candy) Manageress from Cabin Crew Services. She is out of C.X. (to their surprise) to go and work for Disneyland. Could not help but laugh, to think even Mickey Mouse offer a better deal.