49er wins in UK
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49er wins in UK
The UK Employment Tribunal in Crofts v. Veta has found Veta guilty of Unfair dismissal, Failure to give reason(s) for dismissal and Breach of contract.
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Interesting conclusion...
Where employees carry out their work in a number of
different locations (eg. airline pilots) it is important to look
at where they were based under both the terms of their
contract and in practice.
A peripatetic employee is held to be able to rely on the
unfair dismissal legislation if he is based in Great Britain.
Having taken into account a number of factors, including
the "basings policy" of Mr Crofts' employer, it was found that the centre of his operations was, "quite manifestly,
London"
different locations (eg. airline pilots) it is important to look
at where they were based under both the terms of their
contract and in practice.
A peripatetic employee is held to be able to rely on the
unfair dismissal legislation if he is based in Great Britain.
Having taken into account a number of factors, including
the "basings policy" of Mr Crofts' employer, it was found that the centre of his operations was, "quite manifestly,
London"
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I'm happy for Mr. Crofts but how far was the AOA suppose to take a case like this?
Like Spock said, "the needs of the many outway the needs of the few or one".
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Can the Tribunal force Veta to rehire Mr. Crofts?
Like to thank the hundreds of CX pilots that helped support the court cases over the past year. I am sure the 49ers appreciate it.
Delighted to see the Pilots stand by their colleagues to the end. instead of cutting them free to battle on their own. Something to be proud of. Show your tie pin proudly, if you own one.
I am sure the UK based pilots will show their gratitude to the CPU for providing them protection under UK law.
Good news indeed.
Like to thank the hundreds of CX pilots that helped support the court cases over the past year. I am sure the 49ers appreciate it.
Delighted to see the Pilots stand by their colleagues to the end. instead of cutting them free to battle on their own. Something to be proud of. Show your tie pin proudly, if you own one.
I am sure the UK based pilots will show their gratitude to the CPU for providing them protection under UK law.
Good news indeed.
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Take a look at your conditions over the last 5 years cpdud, if you guys hadn't ran off you would still have some leverage. Now less than half the pilots are represented by the VAOA and the only organisation protecting your contract is the CPU.
If the UK pilots want to show their gratitude then they should look here The Cathay Pilots Union and consider helping the cause. It's not over yet, Hong Kong is next.
If the UK pilots want to show their gratitude then they should look here The Cathay Pilots Union and consider helping the cause. It's not over yet, Hong Kong is next.
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Sorry 6 feet. How can you expect to pay for 3rd mortgages, a helicopter, C172, sport car, first wife and the Amah, which I married.
I just can’t afford it now. Not that I don’t believe it morally correct to do so, it’s about ME.
I just can’t afford it now. Not that I don’t believe it morally correct to do so, it’s about ME.
I'm happy for Mr. Crofts but how far was the AOA suppose to take a case like this?
Congrats Goerge, and shame on the AOA.
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Company fires 49+ employees.
Company agrees to pay employees GBP66K on top of already paid 3 months severence.
Still very angry and upset, those employees continue to fight the company using emotion rather then brains, mostly at the AOA expense and win a final settlement in court of GBP70K.
Total legal cost...over GBP100K.
Was that smart??????????
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I thought I said I was happy for him but I just didn't think the outcome justified the fight.
I don't know why I'm explaining myself to a kid who should be more grateful that his daddy has such a good job at Cathay.
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The reality is CX learned their lesson years ago about a mass firing!
I do concede
that my opinion is obviously taken in hind-sight. GBP70K is rather disappointing and had it been 5 years of lost salary, my opinion would again be different.
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Its just a terrible shame that this was not achieved by the aoa, but by a small group of 49ers who were flushed down the tiolet by by the very group that this ruling benefits.
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Still he does not get his job back so why is the CPU congratulating themselves. Went to their site and still no names on any letters etc, everything still secret so I seriously doubt their claims on hundreds of pilots donating and being members. Dont give us the line you are protecting our contract....CX realised long ago sacking the 49ers was wrong and will not try that one again.
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If it wasn't for the remaining 49ers and the CPU still going after CX you can be sure they would try it again, in a heartbeat. The CPU has enough money from enough pilots to see this thing through. Not once has a cost award gone against them in spite of the scare mongering by the former AOA President and his moronic GenSec. (by the way, he makes as much or more than a lot of Captains, getting value for your money?)
The AOA deliberately dumped the 49ers without any thought of the consequences. As far as the legal expenses go, when you ran away from the fight and hung your mates out to dry you pretty much gave up any claim to that.
The AOA deliberately dumped the 49ers without any thought of the consequences. As far as the legal expenses go, when you ran away from the fight and hung your mates out to dry you pretty much gave up any claim to that.