49er wins in UK
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Firing the 49ers was the best strategic plan we have done in the history of Cathay Pacific Airways. I cost us very little money compared to how much we have in reserve and what it saved us in Industrial Relations.
In turn we have a very very compliant workforce, association, not given any pay rises and do not plan to give any in the future. We own you!
We get less complaints from the pilots when we abuse your rosters continuously. We work stack, change rosters to avoid overtime, re-roster and assign reserve well over your original duty, etc. We do what we please. You acknowledge all our requests. We get few complaints.
If we must fire en-mass in the future, we will not hesitate to do so. It may cost 50 pilot jobs every 10 years but it is a great motivator. It is always effortless to pick 50 pilots. We have evidence in their P-file or their training files. After the firings, the pilot group will fall inline. So yes, we have learned our lesson.
Cathay Pacific and the Hong Kong Government will ensure that the Proper Judge is put in place for the Hong Kong Court cases. This ensures the proper outcome. Both parties have a vested interest in not having labor win a court case in Hong Kong.
Give your money to the CPU and blunder it away with the 7 members and 3 donators. Squander your money. We have more money in petty cash in Cathay City then the CPU will ever get in donations.
There are no names on the CPU, because they will unequivocally be on the list of 50 and yes we know who they are. Yes the donators will be sought out, so act accordingly.
Good fortune in encountering a job, mr. crofts. We stand by our dismissals.
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In turn we have a very very compliant workforce, association, not given any pay rises and do not plan to give any in the future. We own you!
We get less complaints from the pilots when we abuse your rosters continuously. We work stack, change rosters to avoid overtime, re-roster and assign reserve well over your original duty, etc. We do what we please. You acknowledge all our requests. We get few complaints.
If we must fire en-mass in the future, we will not hesitate to do so. It may cost 50 pilot jobs every 10 years but it is a great motivator. It is always effortless to pick 50 pilots. We have evidence in their P-file or their training files. After the firings, the pilot group will fall inline. So yes, we have learned our lesson.
Cathay Pacific and the Hong Kong Government will ensure that the Proper Judge is put in place for the Hong Kong Court cases. This ensures the proper outcome. Both parties have a vested interest in not having labor win a court case in Hong Kong.
Give your money to the CPU and blunder it away with the 7 members and 3 donators. Squander your money. We have more money in petty cash in Cathay City then the CPU will ever get in donations.
There are no names on the CPU, because they will unequivocally be on the list of 50 and yes we know who they are. Yes the donators will be sought out, so act accordingly.
Good fortune in encountering a job, mr. crofts. We stand by our dismissals.
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Stock holders might raise eyebrows at that much.
I totally agree with the congratulations to George.
Not so the CPU. The financial contributions and bank account were needed but not a pseudo Union that does nothing to deserve the title of Union.
Not so the CPU. The financial contributions and bank account were needed but not a pseudo Union that does nothing to deserve the title of Union.
Busy B, with respect, I believe we're both tugging on the same piece of 49ers string here.
The reason I congratulate the CPU in particular is "100% of accrued funds has gone to the legal support of The 49ers." Thanks are equally due to those who contribute in other ways to the legal fund.
I would agree that the CPU is not quintessentially the present representative pilot's body. I believe pragmatically however that the CPU's existence is obviated in this case.
The reason I congratulate the CPU in particular is "100% of accrued funds has gone to the legal support of The 49ers." Thanks are equally due to those who contribute in other ways to the legal fund.
I would agree that the CPU is not quintessentially the present representative pilot's body. I believe pragmatically however that the CPU's existence is obviated in this case.
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The efforts of the remaining 49ers would not have been possible without the CPU and the convictions of its founders. Essentially for UK based pilots the clause in the Veta COS that CX thought they could use to fire us has been virtually eliminated as a result of this action. All UK based pilots are now in a better situation regarding their employment. This was one of the goals originally set by the AOA back in '01. Since deserting the 49ers the contract for CX pilots has not improved, in fact you are all flying harder for the same or even less salary and benefits.
One of the prime objectives of any union is to look after the interests of its members. Comparing the performance of the two I reckon the CPU is doing a better job of it. All UK based pilots are now in a significantly better position than they were a week ago. Can the AOA even come close to a statement like that? Has the AOA even made one significant change (for the better) or improvement in the contract in the last 3 years? Important questions to ask yourself when you are spending 1% or so of your salary. JF should be ashamed of himself for taking your money.
One of the prime objectives of any union is to look after the interests of its members. Comparing the performance of the two I reckon the CPU is doing a better job of it. All UK based pilots are now in a significantly better position than they were a week ago. Can the AOA even come close to a statement like that? Has the AOA even made one significant change (for the better) or improvement in the contract in the last 3 years? Important questions to ask yourself when you are spending 1% or so of your salary. JF should be ashamed of himself for taking your money.
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19 Wheeler etal,
Whilst I am not a member of the AOA or CPU, and should a member of such wish to contradict me I would welcome it, but it is my understanding that the piviotal House of Lords ruling regarding Legal Juristidiction for Veta pilots based in the UK was achieved by AOA funding solely, before the creation of the CPU.
Following this Landmark ruling, Cathay offered a settlement broadly in line with what the Tribunal ultimately awarded George. All Legal Opinion shown to the AOA membership said the Tribunal had no authority to force Cathay to re-employ George, unless Cathay consented to re-employment (and they weren't going to do that).
In sum, History shows the legal advice given to the AOA members was near to the mark. The decision to further fund George's legal bills, to enable him to have his day in Court, could be seen as noble or a futile waste of scarce resources that would have blocked the re-employment of the dozen or so 49ers the company did take back .... the choice is yours.....
Whilst I am not a member of the AOA or CPU, and should a member of such wish to contradict me I would welcome it, but it is my understanding that the piviotal House of Lords ruling regarding Legal Juristidiction for Veta pilots based in the UK was achieved by AOA funding solely, before the creation of the CPU.
Following this Landmark ruling, Cathay offered a settlement broadly in line with what the Tribunal ultimately awarded George. All Legal Opinion shown to the AOA membership said the Tribunal had no authority to force Cathay to re-employ George, unless Cathay consented to re-employment (and they weren't going to do that).
In sum, History shows the legal advice given to the AOA members was near to the mark. The decision to further fund George's legal bills, to enable him to have his day in Court, could be seen as noble or a futile waste of scarce resources that would have blocked the re-employment of the dozen or so 49ers the company did take back .... the choice is yours.....
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Liam,
The HOL ruling was handed down in January of this year and the hearing was held in November of 2005. The AOA ceased funding any and all legal action prior to CX appealing to the HOL. I could be wrong but even the previous appeal by CX was heard after funding had ceased. The CPU was registered as a trade union in early June of 2005 but had been stood up on the First of May that year and immediately commenced funding all legal actions. They have since spent a significant amount of money protecting the interests of the 49ers as well as each and every pilot at Cathay Pacific.
All legal opinion shown to the membership was censored and vetted by the President at the time and the GenSec. Both of whom will, in the fullness of time be shown to have misled the membership and even lied to the 49ers
The HOL ruling was handed down in January of this year and the hearing was held in November of 2005. The AOA ceased funding any and all legal action prior to CX appealing to the HOL. I could be wrong but even the previous appeal by CX was heard after funding had ceased. The CPU was registered as a trade union in early June of 2005 but had been stood up on the First of May that year and immediately commenced funding all legal actions. They have since spent a significant amount of money protecting the interests of the 49ers as well as each and every pilot at Cathay Pacific.
All legal opinion shown to the membership was censored and vetted by the President at the time and the GenSec. Both of whom will, in the fullness of time be shown to have misled the membership and even lied to the 49ers
frankg,
Most of the legal expenses up to signing the 49'er deal with CX were paid by the AOA.
As far as censorship goes, as a member I asked to see the legal opinions and was shown all of them in the office. No censorship only not making it public and available for CX to see.
As far as lieing goes, I understand the CPU claims affiliation with IFALPA and has had a letter from IFALPA saying its not true and they are not eligible!! But they are probably not guilty of lieing to their members because they are so few.
Most of the legal expenses up to signing the 49'er deal with CX were paid by the AOA.
As far as censorship goes, as a member I asked to see the legal opinions and was shown all of them in the office. No censorship only not making it public and available for CX to see.
As far as lieing goes, I understand the CPU claims affiliation with IFALPA and has had a letter from IFALPA saying its not true and they are not eligible!! But they are probably not guilty of lieing to their members because they are so few.
