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Welcome to aviation boys.
Your career will never go exactly as planned. Some people get a better deal than you do and others get a worse deal. Sometimes the tables get turned later on.
So, get over it and be nice to each other.
Your career will never go exactly as planned. Some people get a better deal than you do and others get a worse deal. Sometimes the tables get turned later on.
So, get over it and be nice to each other.
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Fair cop chaps.
Perhaps the rhetoric was too strong.
I find your points very interesting.
I still struggle to see that after 3yrs you hadnt asked your friends, hadnt had a look in the books or popped into the office to ask how, when, where?
After all its your career?
I often sat in Ptarmigan's, Humpy's & F Street Station. Listening to your stories I wondered how you knew so very little about what was really happening in CX.
Were you just lazy?
What info did you have?
What were you told?
Did you even give a sh1t?
Did you know who to ask?
The answer is obviously more complex than I realised and I therefore do apologise for my earlier post. I made an assumption, as you did about you transfer, and.....
Assumption, as they say, is the mother of a f@ckup.
Hopefully those who follow in your footsteps might be helped by your experience too?
Perhaps the rhetoric was too strong.
I find your points very interesting.
I still struggle to see that after 3yrs you hadnt asked your friends, hadnt had a look in the books or popped into the office to ask how, when, where?
After all its your career?
I often sat in Ptarmigan's, Humpy's & F Street Station. Listening to your stories I wondered how you knew so very little about what was really happening in CX.
Were you just lazy?
What info did you have?
What were you told?
Did you even give a sh1t?
Did you know who to ask?
The answer is obviously more complex than I realised and I therefore do apologise for my earlier post. I made an assumption, as you did about you transfer, and.....
Assumption, as they say, is the mother of a f@ckup.
Hopefully those who follow in your footsteps might be helped by your experience too?
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To Clarify The Mis-info
Something I learned early on ... Never throw out numbers unless you can quote the reference.
42 Months Held on 744F - Negative. 36 Months from completion of PK.
Fine Print - well the print in the basings agreement is all one font and size and the same goes for the COS.
And as for trash talking about how the 2nd O's are(insert negative slur) ... how does one determine that ... based one the T/O and Landings they never do? The monthly Sims? Or ones own ego. Lots of one time 2nd O's are now Captains.
Back to my earlier post...
Does any one have an answer to the questions I posted earlier.
.. restrictions to moving to Pax fleet HKG...?
42 Months Held on 744F - Negative. 36 Months from completion of PK.
Fine Print - well the print in the basings agreement is all one font and size and the same goes for the COS.
And as for trash talking about how the 2nd O's are(insert negative slur) ... how does one determine that ... based one the T/O and Landings they never do? The monthly Sims? Or ones own ego. Lots of one time 2nd O's are now Captains.
Back to my earlier post...
Does any one have an answer to the questions I posted earlier.
.. restrictions to moving to Pax fleet HKG...?
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Originally Posted by Grinch
Something I learned early on ... Never throw out numbers unless you can quote the reference.
42 Months Held on 744F - Negative. 36 Months from completion of PK.
Does any one have an answer to the questions I posted earlier.
.. restrictions to moving to Pax fleet HKG...?
42 Months Held on 744F - Negative. 36 Months from completion of PK.
Does any one have an answer to the questions I posted earlier.
.. restrictions to moving to Pax fleet HKG...?
First part...great advice...but are you sure about it starting at completion of PK? I understood some were delayed when they took a couple of weeks off after the PK and were told it starts upon your first revenue flight!
As to your question, seniority will determine when you can transfer to pax or your 3 years whichever is later. When you are eligible to transfer you may go to HKG or take a base which has a vacancy your seniority can hold. If you go to HKG, you don't have a minimum time required if you should decide to take a base other than you must still wait for a bid period and be able to hold a position on the base of your choice.
Silberfuch…I’m glad you pointed it out and I am very aware of the experience of many of our great S/O’s but, like I said it only takes a few to spoil it and a few we have! The problem I have seen with a couple is not with procedures or ability but a smart mouth and a c*cky attitude.
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Right you are CP Dude
36 Months is the number and yes I stand corrected, from 1st revenue trip after PK complete. I said 36 from Pk for sake of brevity.
So sounds like nothing should interfere with a move to HKG after 36 months.
But that is not the spin heard from the basings office.
I don't think this has been run up the chain far enough to get a definitive position yet from the company.
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So sounds like nothing should interfere with a move to HKG after 36 months.
But that is not the spin heard from the basings office.
I don't think this has been run up the chain far enough to get a definitive position yet from the company.
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Originally Posted by Grinch
36 Months is the number and yes I stand corrected, from 1st revenue trip after PK complete. I said 36 from Pk for sake of brevity.
So sounds like nothing should interfere with a move to HKG after 36 months.
But that is not the spin heard from the basings office.
I don't think this has been run up the chain far enough to get a definitive position yet from the company.
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So sounds like nothing should interfere with a move to HKG after 36 months.
But that is not the spin heard from the basings office.
I don't think this has been run up the chain far enough to get a definitive position yet from the company.
.
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Originally Posted by Truckmasters
Originally Posted by cpdude
Many DEFO's come from Military backgrounds
Guess what
Many DESO's come from Military backgrounds
Many DEFO's come from Military backgrounds
Guess what
Many DESO's come from Military backgrounds
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acordian...
This is going to push back all transfers at least a year...and 7 more freighters in the next 12 months...how convienient that the DEFO's are being held back with no bypass pay by the way.
The worst part are the financial plans after receiving a letter saying "you are eligible to go to pax fleet" then two months letter getting an email from a flunkie saying "oops sorry, we FORGOT about 50 guys that were not assesed, so no bypass pay, too bad, so sad."
SO, for all you CX wannabees....when they say profit share and transfer to pax fleet in 3 years..take it with a grain of salt. Because it ain't gonna happen.
The worst part are the financial plans after receiving a letter saying "you are eligible to go to pax fleet" then two months letter getting an email from a flunkie saying "oops sorry, we FORGOT about 50 guys that were not assesed, so no bypass pay, too bad, so sad."
SO, for all you CX wannabees....when they say profit share and transfer to pax fleet in 3 years..take it with a grain of salt. Because it ain't gonna happen.
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Originally Posted by SCADTA
all FO's on the freighter are going to feel the "hold back"...I forsee 4-5 years on the freighter with no bypass pay...HEY that sounds like the new payscale, doesn't it?
The sad thing is that we can do nothing about it. That is what makes it so frustrating. Meanwhile, the AOA is saying how direct entry into the Pax fleet "won't hurt us". I wonder what back door deal they have going on with the 3rd floor.
On the other hand, it does say in COS that you are transfered at the company's discretion. There is nothing you can do or say in this case, except hope that they decide to evaluate those SO's soon. I honestly think that they are holding you back until the new combined FO payscale is implemented. This way you will get much less pay.
Like someone previously said, I guess we should be happy to still have a job...
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Don't worry the SO's feel just as S... on.
The book says 18 months. It was running around 3 years. Now it's out to 4 year before an upgrade. If/When the DEFO's happen will it be 5 or 6 years to upgrade?
The book says 18 months. It was running around 3 years. Now it's out to 4 year before an upgrade. If/When the DEFO's happen will it be 5 or 6 years to upgrade?
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S/O's
I feel bad for the SO's too...sucks all around. Waiting then moving to the pax fleet or upgrading to JFO. Then finding out that they are passing a new payscale that BECAUSE we had to wait will now be thrust upon us.
