CX F/O-RAPID COMMAND
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CX F/O-RAPID COMMAND
Does anyone have any idea why CX is now what seems to be hiring direct entry 74 Skippers? WOW It seems funny that these are the same requirements asked for by SIA Cargo. Are there no takers in Europe for the 747 Captain Position?
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This is for the "Classic" Freighter thus the Freighter Pay and Conditions.
CMD slots are available on the classic, but nobody on the PAX fleet wants the pay cut for a Classic CMD.
A CMD on the classic freighter means until the S/O above you on the senority list has done his CMD on the PAX fleet, you will remain on the classic (about 10 years).
So you may get a rapid CMD but it will take just as long as an S/O to get a CMD on the pax fleet, if you have no intention of a PAX CMD that won't bother you.
CMD slots are available on the classic, but nobody on the PAX fleet wants the pay cut for a Classic CMD.
A CMD on the classic freighter means until the S/O above you on the senority list has done his CMD on the PAX fleet, you will remain on the classic (about 10 years).
So you may get a rapid CMD but it will take just as long as an S/O to get a CMD on the pax fleet, if you have no intention of a PAX CMD that won't bother you.
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Haven't heard of direct Captains...
I am interviewing next month for a -400 f/o slot and feel 3-4 years for left seat is about accurate.
A fellow Deltoid, attempting to do my part at contributing to the approximate one F/O per day we are losing
I am interviewing next month for a -400 f/o slot and feel 3-4 years for left seat is about accurate.
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Quite obviously the advert is not for DE Capts but for Freighter FOs.
Once you're on the inside of CX you can apply for early Commands (on the freighter). After 3yrs, you can apply to transfer back to the pax fleet and thereby find yourself 2-4yrs ahead of your course mates.
To the best of my knowledge the transfer back is at the discretion of the company (someone wiser on these matters can correct me).
Obviously gaining an early Command has a few hurdles. You have to have an acceptably experienced background, have a shiny record at CX wrt to check & training and in your simulator proficiency tests etc and finally, you have to pass a review board who looks at all the above plus, in short, whether they "think you fit".
They also throw you in the sim for an unscripted LOFT exercise.
All going well, you can then start your early Command course.
One of the 2nd Officers starts his Command Course on the Classic Freighter in 3 weeks.
Several FOs have taken early Commands by jumping to the Freighter......but this is the 1st SO to give it a nudge.
I hope he does well and inspires a few others to apply.
Once you're on the inside of CX you can apply for early Commands (on the freighter). After 3yrs, you can apply to transfer back to the pax fleet and thereby find yourself 2-4yrs ahead of your course mates.
To the best of my knowledge the transfer back is at the discretion of the company (someone wiser on these matters can correct me).
Obviously gaining an early Command has a few hurdles. You have to have an acceptably experienced background, have a shiny record at CX wrt to check & training and in your simulator proficiency tests etc and finally, you have to pass a review board who looks at all the above plus, in short, whether they "think you fit".
They also throw you in the sim for an unscripted LOFT exercise.
All going well, you can then start your early Command course.
One of the 2nd Officers starts his Command Course on the Classic Freighter in 3 weeks.
Several FOs have taken early Commands by jumping to the Freighter......but this is the 1st SO to give it a nudge.
I hope he does well and inspires a few others to apply.
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It's good to see some S/O's giving it a try and I wish them all the best. The advertisement itself is a litle misleading with its "Rapid Command" headline but I'm very glad to hear that the seniority system is truly alive and well at CX.
I wasn't trying to get a "rise" out of people. I just wondered what they were alluding to. I guess an upgrade in 3 yrs would definately seem like a "Rapid Command" given the nature of upgrades occuring at the "legacy" carriers in the USA.
I wasn't trying to get a "rise" out of people. I just wondered what they were alluding to. I guess an upgrade in 3 yrs would definately seem like a "Rapid Command" given the nature of upgrades occuring at the "legacy" carriers in the USA.
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Hearing some strong rumours from those in the know about DE F/O's in the next year or three on the passenger fleet.
Anyone else heard the same talk?
Anyone else heard the same talk?
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Originally Posted by Pointer
R.E.A.D. the add people... its for FO's ... who then can quallify for Rapid Command 
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I recently interviewed in NY for DEFO. I am still waiting on the results, hopefully I am on to stage 2. We'll see on Monday. I called on Friday, but the results were not in yet. Anyways, my question is since I have dual citizenship (US/German) and would be happy to fly the B747-200 in Europe, should I call and let the ladies know or should I just wait and see if I make it to round 2 then mention it. Would it help my chances of getting in to CX by offering to be FRA or EU based?
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Originally Posted by bigbeerbelly
I recently interviewed in NY for DEFO. I am still waiting on the results, hopefully I am on to stage 2. We'll see on Monday. I called on Friday, but the results were not in yet. Anyways, my question is since I have dual citizenship (US/German) and would be happy to fly the B747-200 in Europe, should I call and let the ladies know or should I just wait and see if I make it to round 2 then mention it. Would it help my chances of getting in to CX by offering to be FRA or EU based?
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Thanks for the advice. I can't believe I let that slip in the interview. I really should have mentioned that I am willing to go back to EU. After the interview I felt GREAT. The next day I felt very wiery of my answers. I always second guess myself.
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Back to the quick command upgrade on the Classic freighter. It was my impression that the latest change to the basings agreement says you are now committed on the basing for 6 years, not 3. Someone please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
And I thought they also split certain areas like North America into Canada and US. I think this is fairly recent, like last month or so.
And I thought they also split certain areas like North America into Canada and US. I think this is fairly recent, like last month or so.
Anyone know if the rapid command PROSPECT is not just a cunning ploy to get guy's on to the classic freighter ......in the RHS with 6k hrs....EK had the same idea running and look what happened there lots of DEC'S. I'm always sceptical.....
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Careful!!!!
"A CMD on the classic freighter means until the S/O above you on the senority list has done his CMD on the PAX fleet, you will remain on the classic (about 10 years)." SMOC
Just thought a few of you might like to know that trainers on the Classic Freighter fleet have the seniority to move over to the PAX fleet but have been frozen on the freighter until further notice. The Classic freighter roster involves LOTS of days at work so these individuals are apparently a little tired and unhappy.
I understand that the failure rate on the classic command course at CX is the highest in the company 60% or so. Clearly a difficult aeroplane to fly in a company which has the reputation for difficult command upgrades.
When you consider that the combined remuneration (housing allowance plus pay) of a CX SO with the full housing allowance is paid roughly the same as a classic captain, the numbers don't really add up do they?
IF you get an ego trip out of having a few extra stripes on your shoulder go for it, but if you want a lifestyle and a career on a less demanding aeroplane to fly, go the SO route would be my advice.
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Just thought a few of you might like to know that trainers on the Classic Freighter fleet have the seniority to move over to the PAX fleet but have been frozen on the freighter until further notice. The Classic freighter roster involves LOTS of days at work so these individuals are apparently a little tired and unhappy.
I understand that the failure rate on the classic command course at CX is the highest in the company 60% or so. Clearly a difficult aeroplane to fly in a company which has the reputation for difficult command upgrades.
When you consider that the combined remuneration (housing allowance plus pay) of a CX SO with the full housing allowance is paid roughly the same as a classic captain, the numbers don't really add up do they?
IF you get an ego trip out of having a few extra stripes on your shoulder go for it, but if you want a lifestyle and a career on a less demanding aeroplane to fly, go the SO route would be my advice.
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Originally Posted by corporal klinger
command upgrade failure rate classic 53% .
Is it command training or command checking?
When the training system can get thier failure rate down to less than 15-20% then maybe they can call it training.