How will the ban achieve AOA aims?
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How will the ban achieve AOA aims?
How will it achieve AOA aims?
Management will still get pilots. Management must be questioning the wisdom of the AOA.
It creates division amongst AOA ranks. The move falls into the palms of the company by having a divided workforce and potentially weakening the cause.
Come 9th October, courses are being run with pilots who were interviewed prior to the ban even being announced. These are pilots being victimised because of the dipute through no fault of their own. I am sure they would have supported the union and the 49er's if invited.
AOA misses out on additional members who would have contributed to union funds and soldarity. Cx would still be paying there salaries and been additonal finaincial cost to Cx. Assuming the AOA wants financial penalty to the company through the campaign.
I am not taking a position here but would like to see from those involved how they see the ban having an effect.... Maybe it is having an effect or maybe it will be effective after October 9.
How will it achieve the desired aims?
Management will still get pilots. Management must be questioning the wisdom of the AOA.
It creates division amongst AOA ranks. The move falls into the palms of the company by having a divided workforce and potentially weakening the cause.
Come 9th October, courses are being run with pilots who were interviewed prior to the ban even being announced. These are pilots being victimised because of the dipute through no fault of their own. I am sure they would have supported the union and the 49er's if invited.
AOA misses out on additional members who would have contributed to union funds and soldarity. Cx would still be paying there salaries and been additonal finaincial cost to Cx. Assuming the AOA wants financial penalty to the company through the campaign.
I am not taking a position here but would like to see from those involved how they see the ban having an effect.... Maybe it is having an effect or maybe it will be effective after October 9.
How will it achieve the desired aims?
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KK,
I think the recruitment ban must be viewed in context. It is my understanding the ban is a predetermined reaction by IFALPA to CX's actions in terminating the contracts of the 49ers.
When examining the dispute at CX, the details are amazing complex and the recruitment ban is but a tiny part of the overall dispute. Whilst I appreciate to an outsider or new-joiner, particularly one who bases his/her opinion solely on pprune, the recruitment ban must seem a big play by the AOA. It is in fact only part, and perhaps a small part, of the overall strategy the AOA has adopted.
To answer your question, the AOA hopes to put enough pressure on the company that it will return to the negotiating table and negotiate in good faith to achieve a deal with the pilots. The ban compliments the other pressure points of extensive global litigation, limited industrial action, appeals to HK CAD to name but a few.
CX pilots are acutely aware that there are no "silver bullets" and nobody believes the ban will prevent new joiners. However, it does signal to CX management, in the clearest possible terms, that the body purporting to represent the views of pilots', internationally, disapproves of CX's actions. At a more basic level it will limit CX's selection process and lays the foundation for further actions in this area such as training and upgrades bans.
All of the actions the AOA are taking have considerable downsides and the ban is no exception. The AOA membership has taken the decision, overwhelmingly, that the downside of doing nothing far exceeds the downside of the actions they are now taking.
I think the recruitment ban must be viewed in context. It is my understanding the ban is a predetermined reaction by IFALPA to CX's actions in terminating the contracts of the 49ers.
When examining the dispute at CX, the details are amazing complex and the recruitment ban is but a tiny part of the overall dispute. Whilst I appreciate to an outsider or new-joiner, particularly one who bases his/her opinion solely on pprune, the recruitment ban must seem a big play by the AOA. It is in fact only part, and perhaps a small part, of the overall strategy the AOA has adopted.
To answer your question, the AOA hopes to put enough pressure on the company that it will return to the negotiating table and negotiate in good faith to achieve a deal with the pilots. The ban compliments the other pressure points of extensive global litigation, limited industrial action, appeals to HK CAD to name but a few.
CX pilots are acutely aware that there are no "silver bullets" and nobody believes the ban will prevent new joiners. However, it does signal to CX management, in the clearest possible terms, that the body purporting to represent the views of pilots', internationally, disapproves of CX's actions. At a more basic level it will limit CX's selection process and lays the foundation for further actions in this area such as training and upgrades bans.
All of the actions the AOA are taking have considerable downsides and the ban is no exception. The AOA membership has taken the decision, overwhelmingly, that the downside of doing nothing far exceeds the downside of the actions they are now taking.
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"When examining the dispute at CX, the details are amazing complex and the recruitment ban is but a tiny part of the overall dispute. Whilst I appreciate to an outsider or new-joiner, particularly one who bases his/her opinion solely on pprune, the recruitment ban must seem a big play by the AOA. It is in fact only part, and perhaps a small part, of the overall strategy the AOA has adopted."
Liam,
If you consider the ban such a tiny/small part of the overall strategy, please don't be suprised when new joiners pay it a corresponding amount of respect.
Not exactly an overwhelming endorsement.
Liam,
If you consider the ban such a tiny/small part of the overall strategy, please don't be suprised when new joiners pay it a corresponding amount of respect.
Not exactly an overwhelming endorsement.
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PZ,
KK sought information and I provided it. He did not seek, and it is not for me to provide, an "overwhelming endorsement".
You would appear to be a selective reader. There will be no surprises when new joiners arrive; which is the point made in the first sentence of the 4th paragraph to my post.
KK sought information and I provided it. He did not seek, and it is not for me to provide, an "overwhelming endorsement".
You would appear to be a selective reader. There will be no surprises when new joiners arrive; which is the point made in the first sentence of the 4th paragraph to my post.
