Flight Disruption
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Flight Disruption
Gentlemen,
We are all aware that considerable disruption to, and in some cases cancellation of, flights is occurring as a direct result of the chronic shortage of crews in Cathay Pacific Airways. This situation is being exacerbated by the "fire-fighting" approach of Crew Control, sorting out todays problem only to cause even more disruption later.
Exact details however are not widely available.
May I suggest that in order that we may have a clearer picture of just how bad this situation is, and to keep other observers of this forum informed, any significant delay, disruption, cancellation, or non standard crew operation be posted here, whilst of course being careful to protect the identity of the reporter.
It will not be possible to verify these reports, and many will slip through the net, but it seems to me the situation is rapidly getting out of hand and a fuller understanding of the magnitude of the problem would be to everyone's advantage.
Reports in response to this posting would be a good starting point.
We are all aware that considerable disruption to, and in some cases cancellation of, flights is occurring as a direct result of the chronic shortage of crews in Cathay Pacific Airways. This situation is being exacerbated by the "fire-fighting" approach of Crew Control, sorting out todays problem only to cause even more disruption later.
Exact details however are not widely available.
May I suggest that in order that we may have a clearer picture of just how bad this situation is, and to keep other observers of this forum informed, any significant delay, disruption, cancellation, or non standard crew operation be posted here, whilst of course being careful to protect the identity of the reporter.
It will not be possible to verify these reports, and many will slip through the net, but it seems to me the situation is rapidly getting out of hand and a fuller understanding of the magnitude of the problem would be to everyone's advantage.
Reports in response to this posting would be a good starting point.
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Good idea 4HR,
Okay, I'll start with the obvious:
CX255 cancelled on March 06, 07, and 13.
CX255 on March 9th depaarted at 0930 next day.
Any day of the week in dispatch is a joke, people getting chopped and changed, crews still missing 1 or 2 at sign on. I can't remember the last time I did a rostered flight...
Okay, I'll start with the obvious:
CX255 cancelled on March 06, 07, and 13.
CX255 on March 9th depaarted at 0930 next day.
Any day of the week in dispatch is a joke, people getting chopped and changed, crews still missing 1 or 2 at sign on. I can't remember the last time I did a rostered flight...
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CX 883, 11 March......delayed 14 hours due to no Captain available.
Several other LA flights have cancelled/delayed due to lack of crews in the past 4 weeks. American Airlines are asking some 'very pointed' questions of CX management, as they transfer their 'One World' traffic to CX for onwards flights to Asia. Not looking too good for the boys in the 'Ivory Tower'.......
Keep the pressure on the bas-ards.....!
Several other LA flights have cancelled/delayed due to lack of crews in the past 4 weeks. American Airlines are asking some 'very pointed' questions of CX management, as they transfer their 'One World' traffic to CX for onwards flights to Asia. Not looking too good for the boys in the 'Ivory Tower'.......
Keep the pressure on the bas-ards.....!
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It's "disturbing" isn't it. I've many mixed emotions about these cancellations and delays. I want the best for the airline on one hand and want to bring it to its knees on the other.
How much will it cost for a return of the respect (and therefore COS) we deserve. Management with their entrenched position that we have enough crew or don't require to give our existing crew a proper incentive to work over 700 hours a year is a sad joke, wrong on both counts it would seem.
No help from the pilot body will be forthcoming if these attitudes continue. My guess is that if management don't change their attitude damn quickly these schedule problems will worsen to the point of complete roster collapse. Roll on that day and lets make it soon. What a sad thing to have to say but who can put up with their "roster" any longer.
I've heard from the C&T dept that April's roster is going to be a real problem (more than normal) to construct. Don't expect any improvement soon!!!
Isn't it time serious questions were asked about the management of this once great airline. In a word the performance of DT, NR, KB and his moron sychophant yes men is "TRAGIC".
[This message has been edited by Thrust (edited 15 March 2001).]
How much will it cost for a return of the respect (and therefore COS) we deserve. Management with their entrenched position that we have enough crew or don't require to give our existing crew a proper incentive to work over 700 hours a year is a sad joke, wrong on both counts it would seem.
No help from the pilot body will be forthcoming if these attitudes continue. My guess is that if management don't change their attitude damn quickly these schedule problems will worsen to the point of complete roster collapse. Roll on that day and lets make it soon. What a sad thing to have to say but who can put up with their "roster" any longer.
I've heard from the C&T dept that April's roster is going to be a real problem (more than normal) to construct. Don't expect any improvement soon!!!
Isn't it time serious questions were asked about the management of this once great airline. In a word the performance of DT, NR, KB and his moron sychophant yes men is "TRAGIC".
[This message has been edited by Thrust (edited 15 March 2001).]
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just wondering, how many such cancellations and delays are there throughout the whole airline each month? if the situation is so bad, as it evidently is, how come there isn't much coverage of this shambolic affair in the media and how come the travelling public is not making noises?
is the public really that inert that no one is saying anything about it?
is the public really that inert that no one is saying anything about it?
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Hi People,
I'm flying onboard CX250 (LHR-HKG) on the 29th March. From my previous experieces there would be alot of travellers who would fly CX early in that week, because of the HK 7's. If you want to cause an impact the Wed and Thurs arrivals into HK from places like Australia, New Zealand and UK. Passengers onboard those flights will be dying to get to HK because of the rugby!
But PLEASE don't touch the CX250 flight that arrives on 30th March as I am going to be flying on that flight, and I want to get home.
BTW
I'm flying onboard CX250 (LHR-HKG) on the 29th March. From my previous experieces there would be alot of travellers who would fly CX early in that week, because of the HK 7's. If you want to cause an impact the Wed and Thurs arrivals into HK from places like Australia, New Zealand and UK. Passengers onboard those flights will be dying to get to HK because of the rugby!
But PLEASE don't touch the CX250 flight that arrives on 30th March as I am going to be flying on that flight, and I want to get home.
BTW
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Jag
What a good idea...a little like a slow moving "cold" front moving through... might be that the radar paints another system a few days behind it.
It is streched very,very thinly now ladies and gents, and c/c will prevail. H^ll even the frt. folks are p^ssed off now. Welcome to the monkey house boys, we tried to give you a heads up...
What a good idea...a little like a slow moving "cold" front moving through... might be that the radar paints another system a few days behind it.
It is streched very,very thinly now ladies and gents, and c/c will prevail. H^ll even the frt. folks are p^ssed off now. Welcome to the monkey house boys, we tried to give you a heads up...
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chat sei chat,
You are right about it building. We are taking another 400 freighter next month and can't crew the ones we have without mainline help. You'll see some disruption there soon.
We received your heads up, but just couldn't do much about it with such a small and isolated group. Now that the group is larger and divided between CX & ASL it is harder for them to determine who's for CC and who isn't. In the light of the recent developments, management has angered just about everyone. Most are on side now! A lot of the ASL guy are just as determined as the rest of us........they couldn't sign over for age or other reasons.
In any event.......contract compliance is definately having an effect.
You are right about it building. We are taking another 400 freighter next month and can't crew the ones we have without mainline help. You'll see some disruption there soon.
We received your heads up, but just couldn't do much about it with such a small and isolated group. Now that the group is larger and divided between CX & ASL it is harder for them to determine who's for CC and who isn't. In the light of the recent developments, management has angered just about everyone. Most are on side now! A lot of the ASL guy are just as determined as the rest of us........they couldn't sign over for age or other reasons.
In any event.......contract compliance is definately having an effect.
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Don't worry Guru, what he writes must have something to do with his location. It doesn't make any sense that's for sure. Too much heat and no real freedom probably.
By the way. Have you done the flight grading yet? How is the application coming along or am I confusing you with someome else.
By the way. Have you done the flight grading yet? How is the application coming along or am I confusing you with someome else.
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Thrust, I'm going later on in the year. I've been doing a little bit of gliding, I hope it will help.
It's been made clear on more than one occasion that perhaps I'm not welcome to participate on this forum, I wonder if quite a few of you prefer to keep this exclusive to those 'inside'.
It's been made clear on more than one occasion that perhaps I'm not welcome to participate on this forum, I wonder if quite a few of you prefer to keep this exclusive to those 'inside'.
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Thanks for the exchange of views guys....but more detail on Delays, Cancellations, Disruptions and non-standard Crewing would also be appreciated.
The further we can spread the word of the total shambles that exists the sooner something will have to be done.
Keep posting.....they hate it!!!
The further we can spread the word of the total shambles that exists the sooner something will have to be done.
Keep posting.....they hate it!!!
