So, what's the latest with the 49ers?(Merged).
plastic;
It was 4% last time I bothered to check.
Firewall,
So don't take it then - organise your own x#@%$ COS mate!
The 49ers,
An emotive issue that has brought out the best and worst in people. Part of looking in the mirror in the morning I guess.
AOA,
Well what else ya gonna do. - I don't always agree but at least I get a vote.
Endex.
It was 4% last time I bothered to check.
Firewall,
So don't take it then - organise your own x#@%$ COS mate!
The 49ers,
An emotive issue that has brought out the best and worst in people. Part of looking in the mirror in the morning I guess.
AOA,
Well what else ya gonna do. - I don't always agree but at least I get a vote.
Endex.
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I believe it's 3% and has been for a while already. FWIW, the money issue seems to have been the motive for a lot of former members quitting and the reason several were expelled.
Why do you ask, Plastique? Thinking of joining?
Firewall - I presume you're not a member. Think on this: For now, anyway, NR and his BoMM are negotiating with the AOA. May I be so bold as to suggest that if you don't like it, change it...but you would have to be a member...
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Why do you ask, Plastique? Thinking of joining?
Firewall - I presume you're not a member. Think on this: For now, anyway, NR and his BoMM are negotiating with the AOA. May I be so bold as to suggest that if you don't like it, change it...but you would have to be a member...
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Spleener, the comment pertains to RP04.....not the COS of which it forms a part. Organising my own !@#$%^& COS as you so eloquently put it is not possible as the motions put foward are passed by virtue of the "MAJORITY" voting for such..........I was not one of the majority. It is possible to be a voting member and disagree with the direction of the comittee......I am not a lemming and I still say it is a crap deal..........mate!
Capt Underpants, I believe the above answers your question.
Capt Underpants, I believe the above answers your question.
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Firewall,
Sorry, fired from the hip. Assumed you were not an AOA member.
Have to agree with Capt U/pants and the silberfuchs on this one.
Enough industrial ventilation.
Spleener
Sorry, fired from the hip. Assumed you were not an AOA member.
Have to agree with Capt U/pants and the silberfuchs on this one.
Enough industrial ventilation.
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Spleener, you just don't get it.
Were I a non AoA member I should not be subject to such a vitriolic response from you.........the fact that I am and you feel the necessity to apologise......maybe I don't get it?
Isn't it about time we stopped the AOA pilot vs non AoA pilot bullsh!t and start some constructive efforts to make this a better job for all.................and the only way to do that is to start by stopping the pathetic name calling ..... we gave that up when we left school mate.
Were I a non AoA member I should not be subject to such a vitriolic response from you.........the fact that I am and you feel the necessity to apologise......maybe I don't get it?
Isn't it about time we stopped the AOA pilot vs non AoA pilot bullsh!t and start some constructive efforts to make this a better job for all.................and the only way to do that is to start by stopping the pathetic name calling ..... we gave that up when we left school mate.
Were I a non AoA member I should not be subject to such a vitriolic response from you.........the fact that I am and you feel the necessity to apologise......maybe I don't get it?
To be a member requires a level of commitment and support to the other human beings in the community
The HKAOA membership would appear to be:-
individuals who are largely dedicated to themselves.
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Cripes BusyB you are a pain in the big toe. From the company then, my gut feeling is, despite the best efforts of the committee, no. Hope I'm wrong (ok as usual for the pit bulls).
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My guess? It will depend on the 49'ers themselves - whether they are willing to take the compromise "cease fire" or not. Hopefully the rest of the membership will take account their (consensus?) views, rather than voting on different agenda.
Of course, doubt 49'ers will all have same view, as they have so many different circumstances now...
Of course, doubt 49'ers will all have same view, as they have so many different circumstances now...
The only reason that the management would offer a “cease fire” would be to improve a management position in which cracks may be appearing. But properly negotiated, this could play well into the hands of both parties.
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Cpt Underpants, that is exactly what the current GC wants. The same one that has just sold out the 49ers and the membership. The same one that shut down a forum similar to this one in order to silence debate. The same one that has probably already agreed to age 60 retirement without consulting the membership.
There is nothing in this 49er deal for the members who have stood by this union for over 3 years in hopes of forging a new relationship with CX management. This deal says loud and clear that nothing has changed. Sorry one thing has changed, they have a new AOA president, one they can dupe.
The details of this “offer” are appalling and if accepted will not bring closure. It will just tell CX management that the membership will swallow anything and it’s business as usual. If I were a 49er I would hope that the membership takes the president to task on this one. I for one will be voting against this because I haven’t stuck it out this long to have me and my colleagues sold out by this president. He has been out maneuvered and out negotiated.
There is nothing in this 49er deal for the members who have stood by this union for over 3 years in hopes of forging a new relationship with CX management. This deal says loud and clear that nothing has changed. Sorry one thing has changed, they have a new AOA president, one they can dupe.
The details of this “offer” are appalling and if accepted will not bring closure. It will just tell CX management that the membership will swallow anything and it’s business as usual. If I were a 49er I would hope that the membership takes the president to task on this one. I for one will be voting against this because I haven’t stuck it out this long to have me and my colleagues sold out by this president. He has been out maneuvered and out negotiated.
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DITW - taking a guess that stands for Dead In The Water.
Well thats what the AOA will be if this insulting offer is accepted, its a sham, a pathetic effort, an attempt to make the issue go away.
Its insulting to the 49ers.
Its insulting to the members who stood resolute by their colleagues.
Its insulting to those members who stood by their union in the hope of achieving some career security.
Accept this deal and its a 3 month contract for one and all.
Well thats what the AOA will be if this insulting offer is accepted, its a sham, a pathetic effort, an attempt to make the issue go away.
Its insulting to the 49ers.
Its insulting to the members who stood resolute by their colleagues.
Its insulting to those members who stood by their union in the hope of achieving some career security.
Accept this deal and its a 3 month contract for one and all.