SEP Revalidation by experience – P1/S time
Can the 6 hours PIC in the preceding 12 months before expiry date include P1/S time? Trying to find something on CAA website without much success. P1/S time was club checkouts. Thanks
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How can club checkouts be logged as P1/S?
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Originally Posted by Edward Hawkins
(Post 11266044)
How can club checkouts be logged as P1/S?
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CAP 804 (Section 1 Part E Para 9 J
J Pilot undergoing any form of flight test with a EASA or CAA Authorised Examiner (other than case K. N/A PICUS for successful Test Enter time in ‘P1’ column and have it certified by aircraft commander. P/UT for unsuccessfu test (including partial pass) Enter time in ‘Dual’ column |
Originally Posted by Whopity
(Post 11266102)
CAP 804 (Section 1 Part E Para 9 J
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Put simply there is no official way to do it. It was quite common 25 years ago to do a club check and sign it as P1/S, nothing said that it had to be a licencing prof check, that came much later.
From Art 103 the Law says: (4) The information recorded in accordance with paragraph (3) must include— (c) the capacity in which the holder acted in flight; (e) information about any test or examination undertaken by the holder of the log whilst in flight. It is a personal flying log book, you can put in it what you like, if its subsequently not acceptable for some purpose then sobeit. |
In plain English; the only occasion that P1/s is logged is for multi crew aircraft operations 'some limited use on 'integrated courses'). A club checkout is not a requirement of the CAA but is simply the owner reasonably protecting their own interest. So, log P1 as Whopity makes clear. The reason you cannot find an official explanation is because what your instructor is telling you does not exist.
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Thanks all - saves me from looking for something that doesn’t exist......
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Are you acting as captain of the aircraft? Presumably not because the owner has required you to fly with an instructor before you can. In which case, you are PU/T. As has already been said, P1S can only be logged on successful completion of a test or AoC. I really don’t understand people’s reluctance to log PU/T.
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The purpose of a club check is to protect the owners interest, to ensure that the pilot will return the aircraft in one piece. P1 signifies that they have demonstrated their fitness satisfactorily albeit observed. No training will have taken place, Pu/t is not appropriate. P1s is not logged following a successful test for single crew, it should be logged P1.
Suffice it to say old habits die hard. |
Originally Posted by rarelyathome
(Post 11266578)
Are you acting as captain of the aircraft? Presumably not because the owner has required you to fly with an instructor before you can. In which case, you are PU/T. As has already been said, P1S can only be logged on successful completion of a test or AoC. I really don’t understand people’s reluctance to log PU/T.
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"P1s is not logged following a successful test for single crew, it should be logged P1."
Not correct. The examiner is commander and his name has to go in the pilot's log book in the "Captain" column. The pilot's "operating capacity" is P1u/s. Examiner then signs the entry. |
Originally Posted by MrAverage
(Post 11266722)
"P1s is not logged following a successful test for single crew, it should be logged P1."
Not correct. The examiner is commander and his name has to go in the pilot's log book in the "Captain" column. The pilot's "operating capacity" is P1u/s. Examiner then signs the entry. |
Just use the flight as a refresher training flight for SEP Class Rating revalidation purposes, ask the instructor to sign it as such in your log book and enter your flight time as PU/T.
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Originally Posted by Fl1ingfrog
(Post 11266621)
P1s is not logged following a successful test for single crew, it should be logged P1.
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In the UK a successful Skill Test, Licence Proficiency Check, or Assessment of Competence is logged PICUS. The examiner is pilot in command and signs the entry in the remarks column. |
Can anyone please tell me what form needs to be filled in for reval. by experience please, it seems 1119E is no more.
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SRG3108: Application for the issue, renewal or revalidation of a ratingCompleted online. There is no fee to be paid if your licence has been revalidated by an examiner (or instructor if appropiate), so no action being required of the authority. |
But is a PPL SEP(Land) a rating?
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Amazingly. I believe it is now form SRG1157
Search ‘ontrackaviation fcl945’ for excellent advice regarding how it’s filled in. |
But is a PPL SEP(Land) a rating? Amazingly. I believe it is now form SRG1157 |
I seem to remember reading that the 3108 is not mandatory, just an 1157 will suffice?
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What is ‘amazing’ is that while it is an ‘Examiners Report’ form, it is now also for use by ‘mere’ FIs for the purposes of reporting Revalidation by Experience after they have done the required minimum one hour flight with an instructor.
It requires a little care filling it in because most of the form has nothing to do with said flight. Not sure what was wrong with the form that they decided to stop using. |
after they have done the required minimum one hour flight with an instructor. refresher training of at least 1 hour of total flight time with a flight instructor (FI) or a class rating instructor (CRI). |
Originally Posted by John Boeman
(Post 11273254)
Amazingly. I believe it is now form SRG1157
Search ‘ontrackaviation fcl945’ for excellent advice regarding how it’s filled in. The section on form filling clarifies the options: the Instructor emails completed SRG1157 to [email protected] OR The pilot may choose to notify the CAA by completing the online form SRG3108 and uploading the completed SRG1157. No fee payable Important: All 3 pages of the SRG1157 must be sent to the CAA |
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