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ifitaintboeing 12th Nov 2013 22:14


Firstly, there is NO mandatory LAPL groundschool requirement, even though the exams are the same.
Information Notice 2013/137


AMC1 FCL.115; FCL120 to Part-FCL confirms that the TK requirements (including syllabi) for the LAPL(A) and (H), including the 100 hours of instruction, are the same as for the PPL(A) and (H) respectively.
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/sarg_IN_2013_137.pdf

ifitaint...

Treadstone1 13th Nov 2013 07:45

Hi All

Just to give you a heads up, this is what it cost me to get my approvals looked at, not issued as yet...

Light Aircraft Pilots Licence (Aeroplanes) £100
Please note that information notice 2013/131 is soon to be superseded and the £100 quoted will now include the LAPL courses.
Light Aircraft Pilots Licence (Aeroplanes) extension course
Private Pilot Licence (Aeroplanes)
Light Aircraft Pilots Licence to Private Pilot Licence Upgrade (Aeroplanes)
Light Aircraft Pilots Licence including TMG to Private Pilot Licence Upgrade (Aeroplanes)
Night Rating (Aeroplanes)

Single Pilot Multi Engine Piston (Landplane) Class Rating £493
Class Rating Instructor Rating Single Pilot Single Engine Aeroplanes £647
Class Rating Instructor Rating Single Pilot Multi Engine Aeroplanes £647
Total £1887

Not Cheap...

fireflybob 16th Nov 2013 17:37

I am trying to work out when the 100 hours of logged ground training actually becomes mandatory.

I understand it is a requirement for ATO but what abouts RFs who have not yet achieved ATO status?

Thanks for any help

Whopity 16th Nov 2013 18:45


I was told at the audit this week the template manuals only cover transition from RTF to PPL ATO. If you want full ATO status then you have to go down the full approval route.
Not what the briefing team stated; they said that the approval will cover LAPL, PPL, SEP and all the various LAPL-PPL conversions. Left hand -Right hand again!


Information Notice 2013/137
A totally different interpretation to that given by the team at Koln!

BEagle 16th Nov 2013 20:32

Quite so, Whopity!


AMC1 FCL.115; FCL.120 SYLLABUS OF THEORETICAL KNOWLEDGE FOR THE LAPL

(a) The training and examination should cover aspects related to non-technical skills in an integrated manner, taking into account the particular risks associated with the licence and the activity. The theoretical knowledge instruction provided by the ATO should include a certain element of formal classroom work but may also include other methods of delivery for example interactive video, slide or tape presentation, computer-based training and other media distance learning courses. The training organisation responsible for the training has to check if all the appropriate elements of the training course of theoretical knowledge instruction have been completed to a satisfactory standard before recommending the applicant for the examination.

AMC1 FCL.210; FCL.215 SYLLABUS OF THEORETICAL KNOWLEDGE FOR THE PPL(A) AND PPL(H)

The following tables contain the syllabi for the courses of theoretical knowledge, as well as for the theoretical knowledge examinations for the PPL(A) and PPL(H). The training and examination should cover aspects related to non-technical skills in an integrated manner, taking into account the particular risks associated to the licence and the activity. An approved course shall comprise at least 100 hours of theoretical knowledge instruction. This theoretical knowledge instruction provided by the ATO should include a certain element of formal classroom work but may include also such facilities as interactive video, slide or tape presentation, computer-based training and other media distance learning courses. The training organisation responsible for the training has to check if all the appropriate elements of the training course of theoretical knowledge instruction have been completed to a satisfactory standard before recommending the applicant for the examination.
Spot the difference? There is no AMC clause implying that 100 hours of theoretical knowledge is required for the LAPL.

Gold plating? Or cock-up??

Danny boy 4th Dec 2013 18:31

Hi Everyone.
Has anyone finished their CAA SMS manual yet?
would be interested to know how people are getting on regarding the free template manual the CAA gave to RFTF to convert to an EASA ATO...

S-Works 4th Dec 2013 19:27

Finished my SMS manual and it's fully approved and implemented.

Jpiper 4th Dec 2013 21:05

Is anyone able to email me the templates off the CD?

Many thanks in advance.

justmaybe 4th Dec 2013 23:15

jpiper
check pm's

Danny boy 5th Dec 2013 10:25

Hi Bose x did you use the CAA template?

S-Works 5th Dec 2013 10:42

I used the CAA guidelines and plagiarised a load from a friend. Important to use colour in them when you are doing stuff like Risk Assessment, tolerability and Mitigation. You will also need to define how you manage risk once identified. We chose to use a risk register in addition to the main SMS.

Cylinder Head 5th Dec 2013 16:14

PPL Manual Template
 
I finally got a helpful person at Gatwick who told me about this link on their website.

http://www.caa.co.uk/default.aspx?catid=2681&pagetype=90

Good luck everyone, I can honestly say that I didn't realise how badly we had all been teaching people to fly without the essential bits of paper. Thank heavens EASA has seen the error of our ways and ensured that we will have plenty of paper to improve safety. Shame I won't have time to teach anyone fly any more.

boynefly 21st Jul 2014 11:15

Document for small operation
 
I'm looking to help out small flying school (only two or three aircraft with 2 instructors) to complete the process using the template from the CAA web site, has anyone got an example of a completed manual that they can share?

I'm particularly interested in design and layout of all the necessary forms to be used.

Thanks in anticipation......:)

foxmoth 21st Jul 2014 15:48

Just had a look at this, it seems to me that this is fine for an Airline or even a BIG setup like Oxford, but for most schools and clubs this is WAY over the top and full of unnecessary B.S.:eek:

fireflybob 21st Jul 2014 16:10

Worth looking at this thread for latest:-

RF to ATO

Whopity 29th Jul 2014 21:12


I'm particularly interested in design and layout of all the necessary forms to be used.
The forms are unique to the organisation; you make up whatever forms you need for your specific operation, in whatever format you want.

The manual describes an individual organisation's method of operation. Forms will include training documentation, which is readily available from AFE and Pooleys, and the various records you deceide to keep which are individual in nature.

If you are acting as a consultant, then you need have a firm grasp of what you are doing and be prepared to generate the necessary documents based upon the published requirement. Unless you are setting up a new ATO, you may be wasting your time.


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