Flying Instructors & Examiners A place for instructors to communicate with one another because some of them get a bit tired of the attitude that instructing is the lowest form of aviation, as seems to prevail on some of the other forums!

ATO Template Manuals

Old 23rd Oct 2013, 19:32
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: UK
Posts: 128
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
ATO Template Manuals

Hi all

Has anyone got an update regarding an ETA for the template ATO manuals?

I e-mailed the CAA last week, but, no response came the reply

Thanks again
Treadstone1 is offline  
Old 23rd Oct 2013, 21:11
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: UK,Twighlight Zone
Posts: 0
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
There are non yet.
S-Works is offline  
Old 24th Oct 2013, 07:18
  #3 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Down at the sharp pointy end, where all the weather is made.
Age: 74
Posts: 1,684
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Hopefully they'll dish them out at the Seminars in November. We've had an e-mail back confirming receipt of our booking. Perhaps receipt of the templates is dependent on seminar attendance. Seems like the way forward to me.

TOO
TheOddOne is offline  
Old 24th Oct 2013, 08:56
  #4 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 6,580
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
We've had an e-mail back confirming receipt of our booking
But not necessarily confirmation of attendance, some have received refusals after the confirmation of booking!
Whopity is offline  
Old 24th Oct 2013, 09:06
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Down at the sharp pointy end, where all the weather is made.
Age: 74
Posts: 1,684
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
But not necessarily confirmation of attendance,

True, true, we wait with bated breath, no refusal yet seen.

Was a reason for refusal given? I can think of a couple of reasons - not being a current registered and paid-up RTF for instance...

TOO
TheOddOne is offline  
Old 24th Oct 2013, 20:48
  #6 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: uk
Posts: 1,041
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I think you will see the templates after the seminar.
Saves having a big argument on the day!
BigEndBob is offline  
Old 24th Oct 2013, 21:27
  #7 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: UK
Posts: 128
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Thanks for your replies.

The reason I ask is that at the moment, I am an ATO for FI courses and a RTF for PPL.

My PPL/LAPL manuals are ready to be sent off for approval but if I use them they will charge me £1000, if I wait and use the template manuals the fee is only £100.

The reason they have given for the price difference is the time it will take for someone to read them!!!

Does that mean if I use "their" manuals no one is going to take the time and effort to read their manuals?
Treadstone1 is offline  
Old 24th Oct 2013, 21:29
  #8 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: UK
Posts: 128
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
By the way I was refused attendance to the seminars, because I am an ATO already....I only had a "few questions for them to answer" Pity....
Treadstone1 is offline  
Old 24th Oct 2013, 22:02
  #9 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 6,580
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
It really boils down to bad planning and failure to anticipate demand. The choice of venues also leave a lot to be desired!
Whopity is offline  
Old 25th Oct 2013, 06:02
  #10 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Escrick York england
Posts: 1,676
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
is their any ato manuals to down load anywhere yet ?
md 600 driver is offline  
Old 25th Oct 2013, 08:05
  #11 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: UK,Twighlight Zone
Posts: 0
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Tread stone, same here!
S-Works is offline  
Old 25th Oct 2013, 08:57
  #12 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: scotland
Posts: 96
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
As to locations, it does seem strange that the Perth meeting is in the local football club instead of at the airfield where we could all have flown in to. Now it means a long drive there and back.
topoverhaul is offline  
Old 25th Oct 2013, 13:07
  #13 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: dorset
Posts: 64
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
ATO Template Manuals

We (RTF) have received confirmation of attendance for two places at Gatwick.
Hoping to get templates and plenty of information when we get there.

If the IMC is to continue til 2019, maybe that's when the templates will be issued!
JAKL is offline  
Old 25th Oct 2013, 15:09
  #14 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 2,523
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
My PPL/LAPL manuals are ready to be sent off for approval but if I use them they will charge me £1000, if I wait and use the template manuals the fee is only £100.
Not according to IN-2013/131:
Existing ATO - consolidation of PPL and other training previously undertaken as an RTF into an existing ATO approval either using or not using and conforming to the Operations, Training and Compliance Management System (Ops, Training and CMS) Manual templates as published by the CAA - £100.
BillieBob is offline  
Old 26th Oct 2013, 14:29
  #15 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Down at the sharp pointy end, where all the weather is made.
Age: 74
Posts: 1,684
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Got our two 'tickets' via e-mail today. Exeter's not a bad venue for us, only 2 hrs each way...

TOO
TheOddOne is offline  
Old 26th Oct 2013, 19:52
  #16 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: UK
Posts: 128
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Billiebob

Thanks for this snippet, I will have a read.
Treadstone1 is offline  
Old 26th Oct 2013, 19:55
  #17 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: LVA
Age: 45
Posts: 30
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Hello gentlemans,

what do you think, is there any chance to get mentioned ATO manuals templates for us, flight school from eastern europe?
Metlik is offline  
Old 28th Oct 2013, 10:50
  #18 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Rugby
Posts: 14
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
From what I heard from the CAA, (FTO inspector) the roadshows are open for guys who are only RTOs. Any school with an FTO/ATO operation won't get priority

Also from the same source, eta for the manuals is just before the 1st roadshow.
cpumad is offline  
Old 29th Oct 2013, 08:24
  #19 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Strathaven Airfield
Posts: 895
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Well, we are a microlight school - thinking of adding light aircraft to our portfolio, since one will be able to teach on light aircraft for cash without a CPL - and we have been "allowed" one ticket.
xrayalpha is offline  
Old 29th Oct 2013, 09:04
  #20 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: UK
Posts: 128
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Hi

I don't know what these road shows are going to cover exactly?

The processes to follow for the change from RTF to an ATO and what information is required to be in the manuals, you would thinks so wouldn't you?

I've been told that the CAA wants to cover infringements and navigation or the lack of it to reduce these infringements.....
Treadstone1 is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.