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UKCAA - PPL issue, a record?

Old 29th Jan 2024, 16:14
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UKCAA - PPL issue, a record?

We completed the on-line PPL application 1600 on Tuesday 23rd Jan and the licence arrived in the ordinary post Monday 29th, must have been posted on the Friday 26th.
Fantastic service, is this a record?

We did spend several hours going through the log book, student record the Course Completion Certificate, the FRTOL examiner and the Flight Examiner reports to make sure everything was 'just so'. Worth the effort to avoid getting anything back...

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ps When I got my licence issued in 1983, I took my log book and the examiner report and shoved it through the 'ticket office' window in CAA House in Kingsway and collected it after lunch the same day, but that was then and this is now...
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Old 1st Feb 2024, 12:32
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Just prior to the panicdemic, I posted a paper application on a Wednesday and it arrived back the following Monday. This when most applications were taking up to two months. I figured a new minion saw the 27 pieces of paper and asked the boss what to do. "Is there an examiner's signature everywhere there's supposed to be one? If so process it!"
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Every time one of our students applies for a licence, the CAA comes back and says the information they need isn't on the Course Completion Certificate. They date of the QXC, each individual exam result, evidence of cross country time etc.....

Information that was on the old Course Completion Certificate, but they removed from the new one.....
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Originally Posted by Edgington
Every time one of our students applies for a licence, the CAA comes back and says the information they need isn't on the Course Completion Certificate. They date of the QXC, each individual exam result, evidence of cross country time etc.....

Information that was on the old Course Completion Certificate, but they removed from the new one.....
Licensing have just the one job, and I commend them for having, for once, managed to do it properly. .I guess this one slipped through the net of incompetence while no one was looking.

Doesn't this remind anyone of the ongoing Post Office scandal?

Unfortunately the CAA is an autonomous monopoly, otherwise they would have been bankrupt years ago.

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The CAA licensing section would not be busy at this time of year. Hence the quick turnaround.

Wait until the summer and it will be Ops Normal again!
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My grandson's PPL recently took more than a month - sent to the CAA mid Dec, issued almost end of Jan. So there are delays for some people, even mid winter.
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Originally Posted by Mach Jump

Doesn't this remind anyone of the ongoing Post Office scandal?
Like the Post Office the CAA conduct their own criminal prosecutions.
The conduct of The CAA in their airspace infringement cases bears a strong resemblance to the Post Office’s bully-boy tactics.
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Like the Post Office the CAA conduct their own criminal prosecutions.
Incorrect, the CAA does not bring criminal prosecutions. Anything it takes to court is under Civil Law.
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I am no legal expert but may I quote directly from the Civil Aviation Act 1982 section 20(1A) :

“The power conferred on the CAA by subsection (1)(a) includes power to institute and carry on criminal proceedings in England and Wales or Northern Ireland “
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Originally Posted by snchater
I am no legal expert but may I quote directly from the Civil Aviation Act 1982 section 20(1A) :

“The power conferred on the CAA by subsection (1)(a) includes power to institute and carry on criminal proceedings in England and Wales or Northern Ireland “
I would suggest that this can only be initiated in the event of an alleged contravention of civil aviation legislation, eg the ANO.
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Having acted twice as an expert witness in cases brought under the ANO by the CAA it was emphasised that these were civil cases and that as such the CAA had to recover its costs from the defendant. Criminal Law seeks to punnish wheras Civil Law seeks to rectify a situation. There would be no discretionary powers if it was a criminal case.
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