EASA LPC for Commander can it be flown from the RHS??
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EASA LPC for Commander can it be flown from the RHS??
A quick question, for just an EASA LPC check only, not a combined check. Does the flight for the commander have to be flown from the LHS or if the commander is RHS qualified then only flown from the RHS. ??
From STDs Doc 24. Does this help?
If a test is conducted without a fully constituted crew, each crew member is expected to demonstrate competency in their normal operating seat. Exceptions to this may be acceptable, for example: two training captains, a captain not normally acting as PF when operating in the RHS. Two first officers shall complete all handling exercises and scenario based assessments in their normal operating seat. Exception can be made for scenario based assessments, but as there are only limited scenarios where two first officers could find themselves operating together, this should not be routinely scheduled.
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If a test is conducted without a fully constituted crew, each crew member is expected to demonstrate competency in their normal operating seat. Exceptions to this may be acceptable, for example: two training captains, a captain not normally acting as PF when operating in the RHS. Two first officers shall complete all handling exercises and scenario based assessments in their normal operating seat. Exception can be made for scenario based assessments, but as there are only limited scenarios where two first officers could find themselves operating together, this should not be routinely scheduled.
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However check Appendix 9 (10) s Applicants shall be required to fly the aircraft from a position where the PIC or co-pilot functions, as relevant, can be performed.
https://type-examiner.com/en/faq/typ...g-revalidation
It is a way different story in CAT and NCC.
If the LPC is merged with OPC - you have to do the check from all operating stations (e.g. RHS and LHS).
https://type-examiner.com/en/bombardier-crj/opc
ORO.FC.235(e)
When operating in the co-pilot’s seat, the checks required by ORO.FC.230 for operating in the commander’s seat shall, in addition, be valid and current.
ORO.FC.235(f)(g)
The pilot relieving the commander shall have demonstrated, concurrent with the operator proficiency checks prescribed in ORO.FC.230(b), practice of drills and procedures that would not, normally, be his/her responsibility. Where the differences between left- and right-hand seats are not significant, practice may be conducted in either seat.
The pilot other than the commander occupying the commander’s seat shall demonstrate practice of drills and procedures, concurrent with the operator proficiency checks prescribed in ORO.FC.230(b), which are the commander’s responsibility acting as pilot monitoring. Where the differences between left- and right-hand seats are not significant, practice may be conducted in either seat.
GM1 ORO.FC.235(f)(g)
The differences between left- and right-hand seats may not be significant in cases where, for example, the autopilot is used.
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So if I read you correctly on an LPC if the Commander is also RHS qualified then for the purposes of the LPC the commander can do the LPC from the RHS only and not do any failures etc from the LHS. I find this strange as in my last company an RHS qualified commanded had to do an RHS check after the LPC from the LHS.
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If one is qualified as PIlot-in-command on the particular type and LHS is considered as operating station of Pilot-in-command, he has to do the LPC from the left hand seat.
Lets stick into PIC abbreviation.
Commander Ec 965/2012 related definition of PIC
Captain is Boeing-related definition of PIC
Pilot is e.g. Bombardier-related definition of PIC
So when we are talking about MPA LPC and you are being qualified as Pilot in command, you have to do your LPC form the station ocuppied by pilot in command (usually LHS).
RHS does not have anything with licensing unless otherwise talking about TRI training. So for this purpose, lets rule it out, cuz than we are talking about Assessment of competence and not LPC.
RHS is operator-related qualification. Sometimes called Either-seat qualification, sometimes Right-hand seat or Right-hand qualification and similar. This does not have anything with licensing requirements. It falls into the Ec 965/2012 requirements. So eventhough you did RHS "LPC" as you mentioned under one operator, other operator operating the same type will require to attend the check for RHS qualification as a part of recurrent training/checking.
So those two things are apples and pears unless you fly for one single operator who keeps you current under one approved AOC/NCC system.
Lets stick into PIC abbreviation.
Commander Ec 965/2012 related definition of PIC
Captain is Boeing-related definition of PIC
Pilot is e.g. Bombardier-related definition of PIC
So when we are talking about MPA LPC and you are being qualified as Pilot in command, you have to do your LPC form the station ocuppied by pilot in command (usually LHS).
RHS does not have anything with licensing unless otherwise talking about TRI training. So for this purpose, lets rule it out, cuz than we are talking about Assessment of competence and not LPC.
RHS is operator-related qualification. Sometimes called Either-seat qualification, sometimes Right-hand seat or Right-hand qualification and similar. This does not have anything with licensing requirements. It falls into the Ec 965/2012 requirements. So eventhough you did RHS "LPC" as you mentioned under one operator, other operator operating the same type will require to attend the check for RHS qualification as a part of recurrent training/checking.
So those two things are apples and pears unless you fly for one single operator who keeps you current under one approved AOC/NCC system.
