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Examiner brief
From Standards document 11:
4.5.2 Candidates and GR are reminded that the validity periods in FCL.025(b)(2) and (c)(1)(i) are not rolling validity periods but fixed periods.6.2 Action following a PASS
6.2.1 The GR must tell the candidate that they have passed.
6.2.2 The GR should indicate areas where weakness has been found, if applicable but should not discuss answers to specific questions.
So it seems the e-exam system is right, both in terms of the validity period and de-brief in the event of a pass and we're (some of us) not reading things properly!
If nothing else, it's made me go and re-read the Standards Document and how to apply it. Perhaps there should be more regular Examiner briefings...
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4.5.2 Candidates and GR are reminded that the validity periods in FCL.025(b)(2) and (c)(1)(i) are not rolling validity periods but fixed periods.6.2 Action following a PASS
6.2.1 The GR must tell the candidate that they have passed.
6.2.2 The GR should indicate areas where weakness has been found, if applicable but should not discuss answers to specific questions.
So it seems the e-exam system is right, both in terms of the validity period and de-brief in the event of a pass and we're (some of us) not reading things properly!
If nothing else, it's made me go and re-read the Standards Document and how to apply it. Perhaps there should be more regular Examiner briefings...
My bad,
TOO
6.2.1 The GR must tell the candidate that they have passed.
6.2.2 The GR should indicate areas where weakness has been found, if applicable but should not discuss answers to specific questions.
6.2.2 The GR should indicate areas where weakness has been found, if applicable but should not discuss answers to specific questions.
The 'Knowledge Deficiency Report' does not meet this requirement in its current form.
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The 'Knowledge Deficiency Report' does not meet this requirement in its current form.
Good point about 'should'. Seems I haven't been breaking the rules, at least.
I would imagine that it isn't a software issue, more policy. Is there a concern that if specific questions and their answers were released in this way, the system would no longer satisfy the international community?
When I took my commercial exams, many moons ago, I don't recall any kind of debrief on the questions I got wrong...
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One would hope the system would debrief on fail the areas need of restudy, as i would do now by writing down basic areas without giving too much away.
Question is, what do they do in the rest of Europe.
Why not just use their system. Does it exist?
I am about to book an examiner seminar, would be a good place for these exam seminars to be repeated, as it was all too late for me to attend any.
Question is, what do they do in the rest of Europe.
Why not just use their system. Does it exist?
I am about to book an examiner seminar, would be a good place for these exam seminars to be repeated, as it was all too late for me to attend any.
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So what happens at the end of the month come Brexit.
I thought it was said the CAA will issue ICAO compliant PPL, not EASA.
So does that mean the training as only to be ICAO compliant, or whatever the national CAA decide.
So any unhappiness from EASA of conduct of or type of exams won't matter.
I thought it was said the CAA will issue ICAO compliant PPL, not EASA.
So does that mean the training as only to be ICAO compliant, or whatever the national CAA decide.
So any unhappiness from EASA of conduct of or type of exams won't matter.
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I believe that Her Majesty's government position is that they will retain membership of EASA, along with thousands of other organisations, whatever the outcome of 'Brexit' and subsequent negotiations turns out to be. EASA is in fact bigger than the EU, in any case. All that will happen is that we will have to abide by the rules, without being able to participate in their formulation. It's called 'taking back control'.
Even if membership of EASA ceases, a thorough overhaul of the UK PPL examination system is well overdue, so this present initiative, even if the CAA has been stung in to action by justifiable criticism from more progressive sources, is very welcome.
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Even if membership of EASA ceases, a thorough overhaul of the UK PPL examination system is well overdue, so this present initiative, even if the CAA has been stung in to action by justifiable criticism from more progressive sources, is very welcome.
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I was furious about the lack of notice. My e-mail was sent to the long defunct address of the previous accountable manager despite us supplying updated contact information by numerous means. There was no way, with my day job roster, that I could make any of the roadshows at that notice.I was extremely keen to attend as I see this as a good thing...
A couple of questions for anyone that attended....
Is there are hard date when all the current written examinations become invalid?
When are the CAA going to publish some advice / Standards / guidance documents on this? Its very adjacent!
A couple of questions for anyone that attended....
Is there are hard date when all the current written examinations become invalid?
When are the CAA going to publish some advice / Standards / guidance documents on this? Its very adjacent!
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16 Training Organisations will trial the new system this Spring. If all goes well, it will 'go live' for the rest of us in June this year.
I don't know when a new Standards document will be published. There is disagreement amongst some about how the de-brief should work, so further work required. There was also widespread misunderstanding about what to do if one passed exam becomes over 18 months old. Many of us had just been discarding that exam. Apparently, if one exam becomes aged, then the whole series up to date has to be discarded, even an exam taken yesterday. This led to further discussion about when to start a student on the exams and the lack of necessity to take Air Law before 1st solo.
Flight examiners have to do regular seminars to standardise. Perhaps this should become a requirement for ground examiners, though inevitably the cost of attendance will have to be passed on to the student.
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I don't know when a new Standards document will be published. There is disagreement amongst some about how the de-brief should work, so further work required. There was also widespread misunderstanding about what to do if one passed exam becomes over 18 months old. Many of us had just been discarding that exam. Apparently, if one exam becomes aged, then the whole series up to date has to be discarded, even an exam taken yesterday. This led to further discussion about when to start a student on the exams and the lack of necessity to take Air Law before 1st solo.
Flight examiners have to do regular seminars to standardise. Perhaps this should become a requirement for ground examiners, though inevitably the cost of attendance will have to be passed on to the student.
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Flight examiners have to do regular seminars to standardise. Perhaps this should become a requirement for ground examiners, though inevitably the cost of attendance will have to be passed on to the student.
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The day the e-exams start, the paper exams become defunct except for the IMC exam (that is not an EASA exam). You cannot have both systems running simultaneously that is nonsense.
You cannot have both systems running simultaneously that is nonsense.
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My understanding is that it is up to the Training Organisation to state exam passes on the Course Completion Certificate, as now. It won't make any difference to this whether or not the exam was paper or -e. It will be possible to tell which is which from the date passed and the exam number taken. The composite will end at 18 months following the introduction of the -e exams. We asked if there will be any link between the -e exam system and licence issue and there were no plans to link the two - it's all up to the TO at application time.
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Just a pity they didn't group the subjects together into 2 papers.
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OK then, someone from the CAA can come into my school and supply a computer, electricity, phone line, supervise the candidate.
Otherwise they, the CAA set up a test centre and i will send the candidate there and cut me out of the equation.
I am not going to do the CAA's job for nothing.
Car theory tests have to be paid for. I have never done one so i don't know who gets what cash.
Otherwise they, the CAA set up a test centre and i will send the candidate there and cut me out of the equation.
I am not going to do the CAA's job for nothing.
Car theory tests have to be paid for. I have never done one so i don't know who gets what cash.