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de minimus non curat lex
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From: sunny troon
Interesting how this element has developed over the years. IFR airways flight in 1972 for my VHF test. Then CAP46 replaced by CAP413. Option not to have a practical test in the1980s to a “how goes it” sign off which definitely resulted in a lowering of standards/quality. Then the reintroduction of the synthetic flight.
I will always remember learning to fly at Carlisle. Blackpool flying club aircraft comes on frequency. Transfers to Newcastle eventually, ending the conversation with “over and out”. Their quality of R/T was to say the least interesting.
The present test which is fine for the flying club VFR operations, but little to do with CPL/IR training, line flying R/T for the MCC onwards.
Development of airspace, GPS etc all needs to be taken into account.
I will always remember learning to fly at Carlisle. Blackpool flying club aircraft comes on frequency. Transfers to Newcastle eventually, ending the conversation with “over and out”. Their quality of R/T was to say the least interesting.
The present test which is fine for the flying club VFR operations, but little to do with CPL/IR training, line flying R/T for the MCC onwards.
Development of airspace, GPS etc all needs to be taken into account.
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From: UK
The current RT practical test format will be replaced by an oral assessment conducted by the RT examiner.
The newly appointed SE (RT) will form a panel of examiners, delegated by the CAA to manage oversight of the 160+ RT examiners, and the training and testing for FRTOL in the UK and overseas.
The SE’s will be responsible for training and testing all new RT examiners, plus the conducting of three yearly assessments of competence, for the revalidation or renewal of examiner privileges.
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From: Down at the sharp pointy end, where all the weather is made.
Surely its not (according to ICAO) RT or R/T, its RTF!
What hope do we have if the apparently world class regulator still gets it wrong!
What hope do we have if the apparently world class regulator still gets it wrong!
I think RT or R/T stands well for Radio Telephony, as a complementary term to and to distinguish it from W/T or Wireless Telegraphy.
I had thought vaguely of applying as I qualify for the time experience, but just short of the total number of tests. Thank goodness I don't qualify if it's going to cost me money! I hope there's going to be someone within a day's round trip to revalidate me when the time comes. I also hope it's an opportunity to tidy up some aspects of the test that I find unsatisfactory. Unlike the examiners that Whopity alludes to (not for the first time), I try to play it by the book. Without going in to details here, there are several things that just plain get in the way of getting the test done, distracting the candidate. I find myself saying half a dozen times during the test 'it's not a navigation exercise'.
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From: UK
They seem to have made the letter 'F' stand for '-phony', if you want a TLA, surely it should be RTP?
You must be using RANT if you have to make the comments about navigation! One of the drawbacks of that method, not an issue with traditional test equipment.
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From: 55N
Still using a kit (Master Station/Student Station) that Mike Grierson recommended way back in the day. Think it was made to order, but a good robust bit of kit.
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From: Down at the sharp pointy end, where all the weather is made.
fone
Slang for phone. It is used by people who don't fully understand the English language and feel the need to spell it phonetically. Or somehow think that not typing in one letter saves them time.
From the Urban Dictionary...
Hat, coat.
TOO
Slang for phone. It is used by people who don't fully understand the English language and feel the need to spell it phonetically. Or somehow think that not typing in one letter saves them time.
From the Urban Dictionary...
Hat, coat.
TOO
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From: Quite near 'An aerodrome somewhere in England'
Radio Téléphonie sans Fil, surely? Like many early aeronautical terms (longeron, aileron, monocoque), it comes from the French, n'est ce pas?
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From: UK
RTF was originally Radio Telegraphy sans Fils which became W/T; Telephonie being a later development.
Either way the influence was Continental and as ICAO HQ is located in a French speaking town, English was not the primary consideration.
Either way the influence was Continental and as ICAO HQ is located in a French speaking town, English was not the primary consideration.
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From: uk
RT examiners, good little earner, like i saw one do four tests in a day and earn more than i do instructing in a month.
And i have noticed the customers are no better capable after the test, than good instruction from flying instructors from the start.
And i have noticed the customers are no better capable after the test, than good instruction from flying instructors from the start.
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From: Down at the sharp pointy end, where all the weather is made.
like i saw one do four tests in a day
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