Logging landing during instruction

[Whopity]

Its a personal flying log book. So long as you fulfill the requirements of your National Authority, then you have met the legal requirement. Nothing grey about that.

[Genghis the Engineer]

Originally Posted by B2N2

Point being every demonstration is a landing you could log.
And that’s a large part of what you do as Flight Instructor. Demonstrate.

But if the wheels don't reach the ground, arguably it's not a loggable landing.

G

[rarelyathome]

Originally Posted by Genghis the Engineer

But if the wheels don't reach the ground, arguably it's not a loggable landing.

G

Bet I can find a smaller pinhead than you, G 😉

[B2N2]

Originally Posted by Genghis the Engineer

But if the wheels don't reach the ground, arguably it's not a loggable landing.

G

[Genghis the Engineer]

Picky bu66ers, the lot of you

I'm sticking with my version, it's only a landing if the aeroplane touched the ground at some point.

G

[Whopity]

Apart from the old night currency, I've never logged a landing in my life. No legal requirement in the UK.

[Genghis the Engineer]

There isn't, but personally I've started keeping a note of late, simply to have clear evidence that I'm within the 90 day rule if required.

G

[B2N2]

JHC in a rowboat, it’s only one (1!) measly landing a month you need to log for currency.

[Duchess_Driver]

it’s only one (1!) measly landing a month you need to log for currency

With my pedantic nature I could be picky and point out that it is technically not correct, but what fuddles me more is the fact that people still don't understand the rules here and choose to go flying with a 'mate' in the other seat because they know they haven't done the required 3 in 90 as sole manipulator of the controls before flying with passengers.

[Check Airman]

When I used to teach in the US, I never even bothered to log landings. I'd consider myself fortunate if I could go 3 days without landing the plane, let alone 3 months. For a private or commercial student, you'll eventually have to demonstrate a few landings. Instrument or ATP, they already know how to land, and don't mind a little landing competition for fun. We had a few 10,000+ft runways nearby. It was possible to get all your landings done in one pass.

Incidentally, under the FAA, an instructor does not need to be current at night to teach night landings, as long as no passengers are on board. The student is not considered a passenger.

Also, I had no hard and fast rules determining how many landings to demonstrate before giving the student a go. For example, I'd taught many of my multi-engine students since day 1. If all was well, I'd usually just talk them through their first single engine landing.

[Whopity]

With my pedantic nature I could be picky and point out that it is technically not correct, but what fuddles me more is the fact that people still don't understand the rules here and choose to go flying with a 'mate' in the other seat because they know they haven't done the required 3 in 90 as sole manipulator of the controls before flying with passengers.

If we want to be pedantic, the phrase "as sole manipulator" was JAR stuff and does not appear in the EASA Regulation!

[Duchess_Driver]

the phrase "as sole manipulator" was JAR stuff and does not appear in the EASA Regulation!

Which is why it was in italics.... being inferred not stated.

[Whopity]

Didn't spot the italics!

[S-Works]

I am a little flabbergasted it at this....... How can any Instructor regardless of the level they teach not manage to log 3/90? I teach from PPL to type ratings and every course has more than enough opportunity to demonstrate take off and landings. If you are not demonstrating them, how the hell does your student learn?

[MrAverage]

Many part time instructors do not fly regularly, especially during the winter.

[S-Works]

Originally Posted by MrAverage

Many part time instructors do not fly regularly, especially during the winter.

That is no excuse to not be able to maintain the required landings. I they are that rusty then they should not be teaching.

[MrAverage]

My policy exactly. I was just pointing out the fact that they're out there.

[Duchess_Driver]

I am a little flabbergasted it at this....... How can any Instructor regardless of the level they teach not manage to log 3/90?

As has been said, it is quite easy.... a while ago all I taught was iR and IR conversions, it seemed that everyone in the door already had their ME class. The only way I could maintain currency was to nick a circuit at the end of the day....

[Genghis the Engineer]

Originally Posted by Duchess_Driver

As has been said, it is quite easy.... a while ago all I taught was iR and IR conversions, it seemed that everyone in the door already had their ME class. The only way I could maintain currency was to nick a circuit at the end of the day....

You could make a strong case for somebody doing a job like that, that the CFI should have factored this in and ensured you did a periodic CT sortie of a bit of general handling, few circuits, few duty emergencies. Maybe sent instructors up together to do that, so that they can do a bit of practice pattering it to each other as well.

G

[S-Works]

Originally Posted by Duchess_Driver

As has been said, it is quite easy.... a while ago all I taught was iR and IR conversions, it seemed that everyone in the door already had their ME class. The only way I could maintain currency was to nick a circuit at the end of the day....

No excuse and would not happen in my school. There is nothing wrong with you yelling the student you are doing a landing for your own currency as part of any course. I expect my staff to do so and I do so myself in the situation you quote.

There is no excuse for an instructor not to keep current.