Logging IFR time (UK)

[BEagle]

It is also mandatory procedure for the EIR - IFR may only be flown from a declared transition point after departure and terminated at another declared transition point at destination. The rest of the flight must be under VFR.

[pipertommy]

How to log IFR time?

My logbook only has an instruments column, which I assume is solely IMC time as opposed to operating under IFR.
How can I evidence IFR time towards removal of instrument instruction??
Confused sorry!!

[Whopity]

You can use the column for anything you like or even add a column if you wish. Teaching IMC is quite a good way to get IFR time or fly IFR and log it as such.

[pipertommy]

Thanks for the reply. I would like to work eventually teach towards the IR(r) / imc rating. I hold the IR(r) with a lapsed IR. I currently instruct to ppl level, I guess I can operate a portion of the flight as IFR obviously in VMC. Just the recording of IFR is confusing. Lol
Has anyone else dealt with this situation successfully?
Thank you.

[Whopity]

No requirement under Art 228 to record IFR so as long as what you claim looks reasonable nobody can realy dispute it. Don't try and claim VFR instruction time as IFR as it clearly can't be.

[Duchess_Driver]

Just the recording of IFR is confusing.

Not really...

Am I on an IFR flight plan
Am I Instrument rated (IR(R) is OK)
Am I flying 1000’ above.....

All yes, then IFR it goes - regardless of whether you can see the ground or not. If I can’t see the ground, that bit can go “sole reference” in the IMC column. And for that, then the aircraft should be suitably equipped for the airspace it’s in.

[Genghis the Engineer]

Add in "is the aeroplane permitted to fly IFR", but I agree - I really don't find it at all difficult.

G

[pipertommy]

OK, not difficult, but I was after clarification of how others physically record the time. Thanks

[pipertommy]

200 ifr requirement?

My aim is to teach for IR (r) only, the information below implies I would only need 10 hours sole reference to instrument as time??


Pre-Course Requirements

You must hold the licence, rating and qualification for which instruction is being given and be entitled to act as pilot in command during the training.

Flight instructors (A)

The privileges of the holder of a FI(A) rating are:

To conduct flight instruction for the issue of an IR(A), or an IR (Restricted) Rating provided that the instructor :

1) Holds a valid IR(A) and has at least 200 hours flight in accordance with instrument flight rules, of which up to 50 may be instrument ground time in a flight simulatot or FNPT II.

2) Completed at an ATO an approved course comprising at least 5 hours of flight instruction in an aeroplane, flight simulator or FNPT II and 10 hours of ground instruction (see EASA Part -FCL 930. IRI and has passed the Assessment of Competence.

Or

To conduct flight instruction for the issue of an IR(R) provided that the instructor:

Holds a valid IR(R) and has:

3) An unrestricted FI rating and completed at least 10 hours flight time by sole reference to instruments in an aeroplane, Full Flight Simulator, Flight Training Device(FTD) 2/3 or Flight Navigation Procedure Trainer(FNPT)II.

4) Completed a course as describesd in sub-paragraph2) above and passed the Assessment of Competence.

[Whopity]

Thats correct and you need the 10 hours for both the FI rating and a CPL so you should have all you need.

[pipertommy]

Thanks for the replies.

[S-Works]

Originally Posted by NDB32

I have heard about that too, the instructor told me he wrote the instruction time in the aeroplane log book as PIC and in his own log book as PIC and IFR, not as an instructor.

He would be out the door faster than his feet could carry him if he tried it in my school. When we get an ATO audit one of the things the CAA do is go through the student, Inatructor and tech legs and compare them to the training log. wobetide any inaccuracies........

[S-Works]

Originally Posted by Genghis the Engineer

School and country name please Chickenhouse ?

G

Spain, it’s how we do it all the time.