Resurgence of QSY
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Resurgence of QSY
Is it just our airfield or is there growing use of QSY phrase?
I am hearing the term daily from the FISO and now both club pilots and students have started using it too.
My take is that it is not standard RT and it should be discouraged, not withstanding the number of military pilots using the phrase (Hawks,C130s,Dauphins).
If a candidate uses the phrase on test then I assume that is a debrief point.
I am hearing the term daily from the FISO and now both club pilots and students have started using it too.
My take is that it is not standard RT and it should be discouraged, not withstanding the number of military pilots using the phrase (Hawks,C130s,Dauphins).
If a candidate uses the phrase on test then I assume that is a debrief point.
Almost 40 years ago now, I was on a visual recovery to Scampton one fine day in one of HMs' finest Vulcans after a short air test. Approach told us about a light aircraft in the vicinity....
Seeing it and approaching the MATZ, I announced "Tally the puddlejumper, QSY Tower".
Unfortunately, some Flying Prevention Branch trappers were around at the time and tried to raise a stink with my boss (Good old 'Sweaters' RIP) about gash RT - who simply replied "Did ATC understand? Yes. Well now say the same thing in correct terminology - in fewer words!". They couldn't - so he told them to Foxtrot Oscar as he had more important things to concern him. I never heard another word.
But yes, 'QSY' isn't correct RT.
Seeing it and approaching the MATZ, I announced "Tally the puddlejumper, QSY Tower".
Unfortunately, some Flying Prevention Branch trappers were around at the time and tried to raise a stink with my boss (Good old 'Sweaters' RIP) about gash RT - who simply replied "Did ATC understand? Yes. Well now say the same thing in correct terminology - in fewer words!". They couldn't - so he told them to Foxtrot Oscar as he had more important things to concern him. I never heard another word.
But yes, 'QSY' isn't correct RT.
Horribly bloody phrase, don't use it myself, ask for clarification if ATC ever use it.
Belongs far pre-Vulcan, and should be left there.
But yes, I hear it regularly, and wish I didn't.
G
Belongs far pre-Vulcan, and should be left there.
But yes, I hear it regularly, and wish I didn't.
G
de minimus non curat lex
QSY
Notwithstanding it has been withdrawn from CAP413, it is clear & concise, and more importantly uses less R/T time & words then its replacement phrase.
I thought it worked well......learnt it when CAP46 (became 413) was current.
Bring it back I say😷😱😜
I thought it worked well......learnt it when CAP46 (became 413) was current.
Bring it back I say😷😱😜
I was with a student on a navex last week working a civil ATC unit who called "XX clearing YYY airspace, squawk 7000 and advise going enroute" - student asks me "what does that mean?".
de minimus non curat lex
"Over & out"
Now that does make me cringe
FREECALL works well when said by ATC etc
The ac stating the intention to change frequency ........QSY 122.7 ?
Now that does make me cringe
FREECALL works well when said by ATC etc
The ac stating the intention to change frequency ........QSY 122.7 ?
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I don't mind the QSYs at all; it's the "Errrrr..."s, multiple pauses and especially those that request a service then don't listen out and miss ATC calling them that annoy me, especially when it's busy.
Never mind QSY at a local airfield I frequent where there is Air/Ground they use first names half the time (e.g. "John, anyone in the circuit") - the lack of R/T discipline appals me at times.
I'm reminded of a friend's experience when calling H******n Radio may years ago. After several calls with no reply using his callsign (Turbo prop 10 as an example) and hearing the radio operator answering other aircraft, eventually he got 'Turbo Prop 10? What sort of f***ing stupid callsign is that; why can't you use your registration like everyone else?'
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Since becoming an instructor myself, I'm hearing more and more of "QSY" over the radio, the first few times I heard it I didn't really understand what it meant but after a little research and hearing it said a few times with a frequency, I got the general idea. I was always taught to report "changing frequency to XXX on XXX" so thats also what my students are taught.