Resurgence of QSY
 

Is it just our airfield or is there growing use of QSY phrase?

I am hearing the term daily from the FISO and now both club pilots and students have started using it too.

My take is that it is not standard RT and it should be discouraged, not withstanding the number of military pilots using the phrase (Hawks,C130s,Dauphins).

If a candidate uses the phrase on test then I assume that is a debrief point.

Broadlands

CAP413 does not include phraseology "QSY" therefore it is a candidate debrief point.

RT is non-standard so that also should be discouraged, it is RTF.

QSP is IN (ICAO Doc 8400) but QSY is out. QRT

Almost 40 years ago now, I was on a visual recovery to Scampton one fine day in one of HMs' finest Vulcans after a short air test. Approach told us about a light aircraft in the vicinity....

Seeing it and approaching the MATZ, I announced "Tally the puddlejumper, QSY Tower".

Unfortunately, some Flying Prevention Branch trappers were around at the time and tried to raise a stink with my boss (Good old 'Sweaters' RIP) about gash RT - who simply replied "Did ATC understand? Yes. Well now say the same thing in correct terminology - in fewer words!". They couldn't - so he told them to Foxtrot Oscar as he had more important things to concern him. I never heard another word.

But yes, 'QSY' isn't correct RT.

I always request the Queen Nan How....am I out of date? ;)

That replaced the Queer Fury Ferret around 1950

Horribly bloody phrase, don't use it myself, ask for clarification if ATC ever use it.

Belongs far pre-Vulcan, and should be left there.

But yes, I hear it regularly, and wish I didn't.

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QSY
 

Notwithstanding it has been withdrawn from CAP413, it is clear & concise, and more importantly uses less R/T time & words then its replacement phrase.

I thought it worked well......learnt it when CAP46 (became 413) was current.
Bring it back I say😷😱😜

What's wrong with "Freecall" ?

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I was with a student on a navex last week working a civil ATC unit who called "XX clearing YYY airspace, squawk 7000 and advise going enroute" - student asks me "what does that mean?".

'Fraid when you learn things well , you learn them for life , QNH ,QFE , .... QSY 122.70

rgds condor . Over and out .... still hear that around the Bazaars !

"....and that's a big Ten-Four, for sure....!"

:hmm:

"Over & out"
Now that does make me cringe

FREECALL works well when said by ATC etc

The ac stating the intention to change frequency ........QSY 122.7 ?

"Squawking 7000, changing 122.750, g'day"

(And no 73s nor 88s!)

I don't mind the QSYs at all; it's the "Errrrr..."s, multiple pauses and especially those that request a service then don't listen out and miss ATC calling them that annoy me, especially when it's busy.

QSY is non compliant with CAP 413 and therefore should be picked up by Instructors/OJTIs on the de-brief - simples!

What's next thread "Call ........Homer" for a QDM?

Never mind QSY at a local airfield I frequent where there is Air/Ground they use first names half the time (e.g. "John, anyone in the circuit") - the lack of R/T discipline appals me at times.

I'm an A/G Examiner; tell me where that is and I'll report them to the CAA.
I'm reminded of a friend's experience when calling H******n Radio may years ago. After several calls with no reply using his callsign (Turbo prop 10 as an example) and hearing the radio operator answering other aircraft, eventually he got 'Turbo Prop 10? What sort of f***ing stupid callsign is that; why can't you use your registration like everyone else?'

Since becoming an instructor myself, I'm hearing more and more of "QSY" over the radio, the first few times I heard it I didn't really understand what it meant but after a little research and hearing it said a few times with a frequency, I got the general idea. I was always taught to report "changing frequency to XXX on XXX" so thats also what my students are taught.

Nothing wrong with QSY,however we have a lot of people in the industry making things more difficult than they really are.