Skill Tests and Proficiency Checks - Astonishing new paperwork......
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Sorry - don't have a copy of the LST SPA here at home. But check that you're looking at the 'Test' column, not the 'Training' column. A FI should complete all the 'training' requirements which the applicant needs, you just test the marked 'Test' sections - and that does NOT include any 'en-route' element.
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The LST form states SECTION 3A EN- ROUTE (VFR) For Type or multi-engine class ratings unless exempt) Then go back to the source document for both LPC and LST - App 3 to JAR FCL 1.240.
Section 3A En Route procedurtes VFR (for proficiency check ME VFR if not exempt)
Note that there are no Ms in the schedule so it is a non-mandatory section.
The renewal test is the same regardless of how long the rating has expired JAR-FCL 1.245 (f) (2). You don't do a Nav leg for someone who has overshot the Prof Check date! Same Rules apply.
If you read Standards Doc 14 You will see that LPC SPA is the Form to be used for Revalidation and Renewal. LST is for the Initial Issue of a Rating not for Renewal.
Section 3A En Route procedurtes VFR (for proficiency check ME VFR if not exempt)
Note that there are no Ms in the schedule so it is a non-mandatory section.
The renewal test is the same regardless of how long the rating has expired JAR-FCL 1.245 (f) (2). You don't do a Nav leg for someone who has overshot the Prof Check date! Same Rules apply.
If you read Standards Doc 14 You will see that LPC SPA is the Form to be used for Revalidation and Renewal. LST is for the Initial Issue of a Rating not for Renewal.
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This may or may not help.
Examiners handbook states
"Form LPC SPA for revalidation and renewal if rating expiry is less than 5 years. Form LST if rating expiry is greater than 5 years"
Thats version 2002 dated 31/01/02
The following is from GID 33
DEFINITION RENEWAL
The administrative action taken after a rating has lapsed which renews the privileges of the rating for a further specified period ( provided certain, specified requirements are met ).
AEROPLANES
SINGLE- ENGINE PISTON (SEP). TMG CLASS RATINGS RENEWAL
For All Aeroplane Licence Holders - For a period not exceeding 5 years from the expiry date of the rating, a successful proficiency check with an authorised Flight Examiner (FE(A)) or Class Rating Examiner is required to renew the appropriate rating.
For All Aeroplane Licence Holders - For a period exceeding 5 years from the expiry date of the rating (for an applicant who has flown another type/class of aeroplane during this period), a successful SEP or TMG Class Rating Skill Test at a Flight Training Organisation (FTO) or Registered Facility is required to renew the appropriate rating.
For PPL(A) Licence Holders - For a period exceeding 5 years but less than 10 years from the expiry date of the rating (for an applicant has not flown another type/class of aeroplane during this period) a successful PPL(A) Skill Test at a Flight Training Organisation (FTO) or Registered Facility is required to renew the appropriate rating. An applicant must also produce logbook evidence of having completed the following additional refresher flying training and theoretical knowledge requirements detailed in Table 1 to renew the appropriate rating.
For PPLIA) Licence Holders - For a period exceeding 10 years from the expiry date of the rating (for an applicant has not flown another type/class of aeroplane during this period) a successful PPL(A) Skill Test at a Flight Training Organisation (FTO) or Registered Facility is required to renew the appropriate rating. An applicant must also produce logbook evidence of having completed the following additional refresher flying training and theoretical knowledge requirements detailed in Table 2.
From this I assume a full skill test is required
Examiners handbook states
"Form LPC SPA for revalidation and renewal if rating expiry is less than 5 years. Form LST if rating expiry is greater than 5 years"
Thats version 2002 dated 31/01/02
The following is from GID 33
DEFINITION RENEWAL
The administrative action taken after a rating has lapsed which renews the privileges of the rating for a further specified period ( provided certain, specified requirements are met ).
AEROPLANES
SINGLE- ENGINE PISTON (SEP). TMG CLASS RATINGS RENEWAL
For All Aeroplane Licence Holders - For a period not exceeding 5 years from the expiry date of the rating, a successful proficiency check with an authorised Flight Examiner (FE(A)) or Class Rating Examiner is required to renew the appropriate rating.
For All Aeroplane Licence Holders - For a period exceeding 5 years from the expiry date of the rating (for an applicant who has flown another type/class of aeroplane during this period), a successful SEP or TMG Class Rating Skill Test at a Flight Training Organisation (FTO) or Registered Facility is required to renew the appropriate rating.
For PPL(A) Licence Holders - For a period exceeding 5 years but less than 10 years from the expiry date of the rating (for an applicant has not flown another type/class of aeroplane during this period) a successful PPL(A) Skill Test at a Flight Training Organisation (FTO) or Registered Facility is required to renew the appropriate rating. An applicant must also produce logbook evidence of having completed the following additional refresher flying training and theoretical knowledge requirements detailed in Table 1 to renew the appropriate rating.
For PPLIA) Licence Holders - For a period exceeding 10 years from the expiry date of the rating (for an applicant has not flown another type/class of aeroplane during this period) a successful PPL(A) Skill Test at a Flight Training Organisation (FTO) or Registered Facility is required to renew the appropriate rating. An applicant must also produce logbook evidence of having completed the following additional refresher flying training and theoretical knowledge requirements detailed in Table 2.
From this I assume a full skill test is required
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Still confused
AltHold,
I'm inclined to agree. I telephoned the CAA a couple of weeks ago and they CONFIRMED that I should use an LST form.
If a full skills test was required (I did the test this morning!) how was I to have reported it on the form???
I've asked 9 different examiners and the CAA and I've got 10 different answers! What was I to do?
I did the tests this morning and gave the candidate two LST forms (he partialed on the first test!) so its all a little academic now anyway.
Why do they have to overcomplicate things so much???
I'm inclined to agree. I telephoned the CAA a couple of weeks ago and they CONFIRMED that I should use an LST form.
If a full skills test was required (I did the test this morning!) how was I to have reported it on the form???
I've asked 9 different examiners and the CAA and I've got 10 different answers! What was I to do?
I did the tests this morning and gave the candidate two LST forms (he partialed on the first test!) so its all a little academic now anyway.
Why do they have to overcomplicate things so much???
