For those wanting an FAA ATP now is the time..

[AdamFrisch]

After 1 Aug the FAA ATP rules change. If you pass your written before that you have 24 months to take the check ride and get grandfathered in. After 1 Aug you will need at least 30 hours ground school and 10 hours sim. But not just any sim, 6 hours has to be on a full motion C or D simulator, and they're expensive.

So if you have the hours (1500hrs, or will have within the next 24 months), and might want an ATP in the future, do the written now.

[jessie05]

Thanks Adam for that very useful information as i am thinking of doing just that, but fall 40 hours short on the night time minimum which is 100 i believe?

Way past the 1500 with a EASA CPL IR plus a FAA PPL ME IR. Do you know if its possible to take the FAA written in Europe?

also , i imagine that i would not be able to take the written without the 100 night hours. Is this correct?

If i could take the written without the 100 then i would be ok to travel to the USA for the check flight and oral within the 24 months. Also , would i have to get a FAA CPL before as well , or would the US accept my FAA PPL and EASA CPL.?

thanks

jessie

[chrisbl]

yes, Flight Safety at Farnborough.

[M-ONGO]

And FlightSafety Paris.

You can sit the written now, you don't need the CPL prior. You may need an instructors sign off to sit the exam.

[jessie05]

Thanks Chris. Excellent.

Do you happen to know about the 100 night hr pre requisite? Or can i take the written and then gain the additional 40 hrs in time?

[AdamFrisch]

As far as I know, you don't need to meet any flight time criteria before you do written. Just as long as you meet them by check ride time.

As for night, you might want to check out 61.159:

(b) A person who has performed at least 20 night takeoffs and landings to a full stop may substitute each additional night takeoff and landing to a full stop for 1 hour of night flight time to satisfy the requirement of paragraph (a) however, not more than 25 hours of night flight time may be credited in this manner.

But in general, theses are the numbers you need to have:

500hrs of cross country.
100hrs of night.
75hrs of instrument flight time, actual and simulated, but max 25 of them can be simulator.

[3 Point]

Did my FAA ATP at Flight Safety Farnborough a couple of weeks back. They were very good and I'd recommend them to anyone looking for a venue to take the written. If you're flying a type for which they have a simulator they can probably combine your EASA recurrent training with the FAA checkride.

I don't believe you need the required hours before the written, nobody asked me before I sat the test. Before the checkride however we spent a good bit of time checking my log book and filling in hours on a form.

Happy landings

3 Point

[Tinstaafl]

You don't need any of the required hours to do the exam so, if you can, do the exam before the cut-off date to take advantage of the grandfather rules for the soon-to-be-old way to get an FAA ATP.

Speaking - or writing - of the old way, I wonder if employment by an air carrier (135 or 121) will continue to keep the exam credit beyond the two year period, as it does now? And, if that continues, do candidates remain eligible to use the grandfather rules to get their ATP under the old system after the two year period, or must they join the new 10hr sim trained method?

[zondaracer]

Speaking - or writing - of the old way, I wonder if employment by an air carrier (135 or 121) will continue to keep the exam credit beyond the two year period, as it does now?

After 1 August 2014, employment at a 135 or 121 carrier does NOT keep credit beyond the 2 year period.

[A Squared]

Originally Posted by Tinstaafl

Speaking - or writing - of the old way, I wonder if employment by an air carrier (135 or 121) will continue to keep the exam credit beyond the two year period, as it does now? And, if that continues, do candidates remain eligible to use the grandfather rules to get their ATP under the old system after the two year period, or must they join the new 10hr sim trained method?

Apparently, the answer to that is not very simple.

§61.39 Prerequisites for practical tests.

(a) Except as provided in paragraphs (b), (c), and (e) of this section, to be eligible for a practical test for a certificate or rating issued under this part, an applicant must:

(1) Pass the required knowledge test:

(i) Within the 24-calendar-month period preceding the month the applicant completes the practical test, if a knowledge test is required; or

(ii) Within the 60-calendar month period preceding the month the applicant completes the practical test for those applicants who complete the airline transport pilot certification training program in §61.156 and pass the knowledge test for an airline transport pilot certificate with a multiengine class rating after July 31, 2014;

I read that to mean that if you take the exam before July 31, 2014, then you have 2 years, if you take the exam *after* that date (having completed the requisite training program) your test result don't expire for 5 years.

Yeah, I know, that ain't the question you asked. I'm getting to that.

§61.39 Prerequisites for practical tests. (continued)


(b) An applicant for an airline transport pilot certificate with an airplane category multiengine class rating or an airline transport pilot certificate with an airplane type rating may take the practical test with an expired knowledge test only if the applicant passed the knowledge test after July 31, 2014, and is employed:

(1) As a flightcrew member by a part 119 certificate holder conducting operations under parts 125 or 135 of this chapter at the time of the practical test and has satisfactorily accomplished that operator's approved pilot-in-command training or checking program; or

(2) As a flightcrew member by a part 119 certificate holder conducting operations under part 121 of this chapter at the time of the practical test and has satisfactorily accomplished that operator's approved initial training program; or

(3) By the U.S. Armed Forces as a flight crewmember in U.S. military air transport operations at the time of the practical test and has completed the pilot in command aircraft qualification training program that is appropriate to the pilot certificate and rating sought.

(c) An applicant for an airline transport pilot certificate with a rating other than those ratings set forth in paragraph (b) of this section may take the practical test for that certificate or rating with an expired knowledge test report, provided that the applicant is employed:

(1) As a flightcrew member by a part 119 certificate holder conducting operations under parts 125 or 135 of this chapter at the time of the practical test and has satisfactorily accomplished that operator's approved pilot-in-command training or checking program; or

(2) By the U.S. Armed Forces as a flight crewmember in U.S. military air transport operations at the time of the practical test and has completed the pilot in command aircraft qualification training program that is appropriate to the pilot certificate and rating sought.

So, it looks to me like if you're getting a Multiengine Airplane, ATP and you take the written before July 31,2014, you have 24 months. Period. You no longer have the ability to take the practical with an expired test result if employed by a 121,125,135 carrier or in the military.

But ...

If you take the written after July 31,2014, not only is it valid for 60 months, but you can still use it after expiry, if employed by a 121,125 or 135 carrier, or in the military.

It appears from my reading of the new regs that anyone currently holding an expired test result and thinking they're OK to take the test because they're employed by an airline is actually screwed. Seems to me that even right now, prior to July 31,2014, the allowance for taking the practical with an expired written result is no longer in effect for tests taken before July 31, 2014. Which would be all of them at this point in time.

If there's an allowance for taking a ME airplane ATP practical test with an expired written taken before JUly 31, 2014, I'm not seeing it in the regs.


Of course, all of that is for multiengine airplane ATPs for ATPs other than multiengine airplane, you still can use an expired test result.

(c) An applicant for an airline transport pilot certificate with a rating other than those ratings set forth in paragraph (b) of this section may take the practical test for that certificate or rating with an expired knowledge test report, provided that the applicant is employed:

(1) As a flightcrew member by a part 119 certificate holder conducting operations under parts 125 or 135 of this chapter at the time of the practical test and has satisfactorily accomplished that operator's approved pilot-in-command training or checking program; or

(2) By the U.S. Armed Forces as a flight crewmember in U.S. military air transport operations at the time of the practical test and has completed the pilot in command aircraft qualification training program that is appropriate to the pilot certificate and rating sought.

[Tinstaafl]

That's interesting. That opens the possibility for people with an expired exam to get a single engine ATP with a view to an add-on multi (or type rating) ATP added later. Presuming that an add-on certificate is still available.

A bunch of junior guys were discussing the new ATP at work the other day. Best advice I could give them was to get the exam done, get the hours within two years & get the checkride done.

[A Squared]

Originally Posted by Tinstaafl

That's interesting. That opens the possibility for people with an expired exam to get a single engine ATP with a view to an add-on multi (or type rating) ATP added later. Presuming that an add-on certificate is still available.

Yeah, that seems like that would be one way be a way to still use an expired test result.

[Trim Stab]

Does anybody know of any Europe-based FTOs that can offer the ATp skills test on a DA42? I have theory and would like to do the practical test this summer. Not keen to go to the USA unless I really have to.

[dirk85]

I know a school in italy doing FAA check rides in Cirrus and/or Partenavia P68, if it can be of help.

[MarkerInbound]

That's interesting. That opens the possibility for people with an expired exam to get a single engine ATP with a view to an add-on multi (or type rating) ATP added later.

They thought of that. 61.165 (c) says if you want to add a ME ATP to an ATP in a different category you have to complete the ATP training program. And 61.165(e) says if you want add a ME to a SE ATP you have to complete the program.

[Tinstaafl]

Well, that buggers it for those who run out of time to upgrade.

[janrein]

Adam, thanks for the trigger, and thanks all for the additional information!
The books are lying around for a while, and there have been all the other distractions, but seeing a cut-off date coming means itīs decision time.
All of you good luck with the writtens.
jr

[nick14]

Can you do the practical FAA ATP checkride on an MEP in the UK? I wanted the FAA ATP and it seems I need to get it done with the new rules.

I guess the other option is to get the writtens and then go to florida and get the ATP training and test done.

[BrendanWilliamson]

ICAO license writing the FAA ATP written

Hello,

I would like to write this ATP written in the next month or so and then come back to the states in December when my contract is up, pay for a few hours I'm short on the multi side and convert my ICAO CPL to an FAA ATP.

I was curious what exactly I would need to actually write this test and fall into this grace period? Would I need to apply for the FAA PPL / convert my ICAO CPL to FAA CPL before I can write the ATP knowledge test? Or would I be able to write this test with my ICAO CPL?

Thanks!
Brendan

[MarkerInbound]

There are no prerequisites for the ATP knowledge test, just two forms of ID (I believe one must be a passport for foreign nationals) and the testing center fee.