Originally Posted by
Tinstaafl
Speaking - or writing - of the old way, I wonder if employment by an air carrier (135 or 121) will continue to keep the exam credit beyond the two year period, as it does now? And, if that continues, do candidates remain eligible to use the grandfather rules to get their ATP under the old system after the two year period, or must they join the new 10hr sim trained method?
Apparently, the answer to that is not very simple.
§61.39 Prerequisites for practical tests.
(a) Except as provided in paragraphs (b), (c), and (e) of this section, to be eligible for a practical test for a certificate or rating issued under this part, an applicant must:
(1) Pass the required knowledge test:
(i) Within the 24-calendar-month period preceding the month the applicant completes the practical test, if a knowledge test is required; or
(ii) Within the 60-calendar month period preceding the month the applicant completes the practical test for those applicants who complete the airline transport pilot certification training program in §61.156 and pass the knowledge test for an airline transport pilot certificate with a multiengine class rating after July 31, 2014;
I read that to mean that if you take the exam before July 31, 2014, then you have 2 years, if you take the exam *after* that date (having completed the requisite training program) your test result don't expire for 5 years.
Yeah, I know, that ain't the question you asked. I'm getting to that.
§61.39 Prerequisites for practical tests. (continued)
(b) An applicant for an airline transport pilot certificate with an airplane category multiengine class rating or an airline transport pilot certificate with an airplane type rating may take the practical test with an expired knowledge test only if the applicant passed the knowledge test after July 31, 2014, and is employed:
(1) As a flightcrew member by a part 119 certificate holder conducting operations under parts 125 or 135 of this chapter at the time of the practical test and has satisfactorily accomplished that operator's approved pilot-in-command training or checking program; or
(2) As a flightcrew member by a part 119 certificate holder conducting operations under part 121 of this chapter at the time of the practical test and has satisfactorily accomplished that operator's approved initial training program; or
(3) By the U.S. Armed Forces as a flight crewmember in U.S. military air transport operations at the time of the practical test and has completed the pilot in command aircraft qualification training program that is appropriate to the pilot certificate and rating sought.
(c) An applicant for an airline transport pilot certificate with a rating other than those ratings set forth in paragraph (b) of this section may take the practical test for that certificate or rating with an expired knowledge test report, provided that the applicant is employed:
(1) As a flightcrew member by a part 119 certificate holder conducting operations under parts 125 or 135 of this chapter at the time of the practical test and has satisfactorily accomplished that operator's approved pilot-in-command training or checking program; or
(2) By the U.S. Armed Forces as a flight crewmember in U.S. military air transport operations at the time of the practical test and has completed the pilot in command aircraft qualification training program that is appropriate to the pilot certificate and rating sought.
So, it looks to me like if you're getting a Multiengine Airplane, ATP and you take the written before July 31,2014, you have 24 months. Period. You no longer have the ability to take the practical with an expired test result if employed by a 121,125,135 carrier or in the military.
But ...
If you take the written after July 31,2014, not only is it valid for 60 months, but you can still use it after expiry, if employed by a 121,125 or 135 carrier, or in the military.
It appears from my reading of the new regs that anyone currently holding an expired test result and thinking they're OK to take the test because they're employed by an airline is actually screwed. Seems to me that even right now, prior to July 31,2014, the allowance for taking the practical with an expired written result is no longer in effect for tests taken before July 31, 2014. Which would be all of them at this point in time.
If there's an allowance for taking a ME airplane ATP practical test with an expired written taken before JUly 31, 2014, I'm not seeing it in the regs.
Of course, all of that is for multiengine airplane ATPs for ATPs other than multiengine airplane, you still can use an expired test result.
(c) An applicant for an airline transport pilot certificate with a rating other than those ratings set forth in paragraph (b) of this section may take the practical test for that certificate or rating with an expired knowledge test report, provided that the applicant is employed:
(1) As a flightcrew member by a part 119 certificate holder conducting operations under parts 125 or 135 of this chapter at the time of the practical test and has satisfactorily accomplished that operator's approved pilot-in-command training or checking program; or
(2) By the U.S. Armed Forces as a flight crewmember in U.S. military air transport operations at the time of the practical test and has completed the pilot in command aircraft qualification training program that is appropriate to the pilot certificate and rating sought.