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How do FIs build the multi engine PIC time to move onto MEIR instructing? Is everybody doing it ex-airlines or air taxi/biz jet? Even if people work up through an organisation from SE CPL say they must get the 30hrs MEP somehow?
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If you joined the airlines as a cadet then the hours don't count, 30 hours on the class of aircraft.
I'm guessing you would have to rent them and build up the hours over time.
I'm guessing you would have to rent them and build up the hours over time.
This has been an issue for some time and is likely to get worse; even the ex military guys don't have 30 hours MEP. Add to that, the 200 hours IFR needed before you can qualify to teach instruments and we have a potential shortage of commercial instructors. The problem has been staring us in the face for ages but nobody in the regulatory world seems to have noticed! Probably because they are not pilots or instructors!
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Don't forget that 15 hrs PIC have to be done in the 12 months preceding the application! That's the hard bit if your self funding the hours or blagging the odd flight 
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It used to be part of the pre course requirements for MEP CRI.
I don't have a clue if its the same under EASA.
And when I looked into it, it had to be MEP time the fact you had flown 900 hours in the previous 12 months in a manual turbo prop didn't matter. So even if your highly experenced twin prop driver you still have the issue with
A) getting solo
B) finding someone willing to rent you a twin
C) having enough hours to be insured solo/as PIC (it was 50 hours mep when I looked)
D) having a valid rating because it appears now you have to do the course again if its been more than 7 years.
I don't have a clue if its the same under EASA.
And when I looked into it, it had to be MEP time the fact you had flown 900 hours in the previous 12 months in a manual turbo prop didn't matter. So even if your highly experenced twin prop driver you still have the issue with
A) getting solo
B) finding someone willing to rent you a twin
C) having enough hours to be insured solo/as PIC (it was 50 hours mep when I looked)
D) having a valid rating because it appears now you have to do the course again if its been more than 7 years.
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Nope - still confused!
LASORS states (for the addition of MEP to an existing FI(A)):
1) Hold a valid MEP rating
2) Have 500 hours total time
3) Have had the supervisory restrction removed from FI(A)
4) 30 hours PIC on MEP (Not including SPIC)
5) COmplete an approved course
6) Pass a skill test
The only change if for a CRI is that if they want to extend to a different class they need 10 hours on type in the preceding 12 months.
So I read it that an FI(A) who has 30 hours on twins PIC can do the course. I know there used to be a recency requirement about 10 years ago but I don't think it exists now.
I dont think anything changes for this under EASA an its ever-changing implementation date...
LASORS states (for the addition of MEP to an existing FI(A)):
1) Hold a valid MEP rating
2) Have 500 hours total time
3) Have had the supervisory restrction removed from FI(A)
4) 30 hours PIC on MEP (Not including SPIC)
5) COmplete an approved course
6) Pass a skill test
The only change if for a CRI is that if they want to extend to a different class they need 10 hours on type in the preceding 12 months.
So I read it that an FI(A) who has 30 hours on twins PIC can do the course. I know there used to be a recency requirement about 10 years ago but I don't think it exists now.
I dont think anything changes for this under EASA an its ever-changing implementation date...
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One could argue that the requirements are there for a reason. Why should the student pay for you to gain experience?
Personally I had around 700hrs ME time before I started teaching CPL/ME....
Personally I had around 700hrs ME time before I started teaching CPL/ME....
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One could argue that the requirements are there for a reason.
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Don't forget that 15 hrs PIC have to be done in the 12 months preceding the application!
FI to upgrade to MEP = "FCL 905.FI h) (1)"
Which says they must meet the training course prerequisits in "FCL 915.CRI a)" which is 500hrs TT and 30hrs MEP PIC, and of course do the CRI training course listed in "FCL 930.CRI".
However the privileges and conditions of the CRI are listed in "FCL 905.CRI" and paragraph "b)" mentions the 15hrs in 12 months to be able to extend privileges onto other classes/types.
Clear as mud isn't it
Those are the privileges of the CRI (stand alone). Whilst the FI has to meet the requirement of completing the CRI Course to add the ME privileges to the FI rating, he is not restricted by the privileges in "FCL 905.CRI" but enjoys the privileges stated in FCL.905.FI FI — Privileges and conditions
Don't mix the Mud from different pots!
(3) in addition:
(i) for multi-engine aeroplanes, met the requirements for the issue of a CRI certificate;
(i) for multi-engine aeroplanes, met the requirements for the issue of a CRI certificate;
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Those are the privileges of the CRI (stand alone). Whilst the FI has to meet the requirement of completing the CRI Course to add the ME privileges to the FI rating, he is not restricted by the privileges in "FCL 905.CRI" but enjoys the privileges stated in FCL.905.FI FI — Privileges and conditions
Don't mix the Mud from different pots!
(3) in addition:
(i) for multi-engine aeroplanes, met the requirements for the issue of a CRI certificate;
(i) for multi-engine aeroplanes, met the requirements for the issue of a CRI certificate;
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Hi Smithgd, I am friendly (most of the time) and just had a look at my licence. It says CRI ME and it is separate from the FI.
FI's can train people towards a license, while CRI's train people who already have a license towards an endorsement on their license. Thus, there is no such thing as an ME FI (I'm nitpicking a little bit, I know
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I know of several people who are not FI's but CRI ME (or IRI), so it is two different things really. Of course, the most normal thing is to progress from being an FI to IRI to CRI ME and so forth..
As for those valuable 30 hrs of MEP, it can be a struggle. I did quite a few years of single engine instructing before doing some aerial work in a twin for a summer and ended up with about 100 h MEP PIC.
Blue skies!
FI's can train people towards a license, while CRI's train people who already have a license towards an endorsement on their license. Thus, there is no such thing as an ME FI (I'm nitpicking a little bit, I know
)I know of several people who are not FI's but CRI ME (or IRI), so it is two different things really. Of course, the most normal thing is to progress from being an FI to IRI to CRI ME and so forth..
As for those valuable 30 hrs of MEP, it can be a struggle. I did quite a few years of single engine instructing before doing some aerial work in a twin for a summer and ended up with about 100 h MEP PIC.
Blue skies!
I was under the impression that when an FI upgraded to be able to teach MEPs they actually were getting a CRI rating
My UK licence says: FI(A) SP SE and ME and my JAA licence says the same. I did have the qualification pre JAR and CRI ratings.
There is no clarity in any of the documents, so it is easy to see how the confusion arises.
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When I did mine a few years ago they just gave me a CRI ME. My FI just says PPL, CPL and Night in the comments column. I was also given a seperate IRI.
As did I, some really weird translations into JAR I think!
I did have the qualification pre JAR and CRI ratings.
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