UAS Hours counting towards PPL
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As far as I know recording the "start finish times" are not actually mandatory.
However, my Service logbook is based on time in the air. In the civvy world hours recorded are essentially based upon brakes off to brakes on time. See LASORS for the strict definition. Therefore you can as I understand it revise your UAS hours to reflect this taxi time.
Notwithstanding this, it is still the case that whatever "credits" you have on paper you need to demonstrate the level of skill/experience to pass the GST.
I didn't have to claim "hours credit" as such towards my NPPL as I am an exQSP but if you want the latest info on Service/civvy log book comparisons try the CAA themselves or try a post on the Military Aircrew part of Pprune.
However, my Service logbook is based on time in the air. In the civvy world hours recorded are essentially based upon brakes off to brakes on time. See LASORS for the strict definition. Therefore you can as I understand it revise your UAS hours to reflect this taxi time.
Notwithstanding this, it is still the case that whatever "credits" you have on paper you need to demonstrate the level of skill/experience to pass the GST.
I didn't have to claim "hours credit" as such towards my NPPL as I am an exQSP but if you want the latest info on Service/civvy log book comparisons try the CAA themselves or try a post on the Military Aircrew part of Pprune.
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Personal flying log book
Article 79.........
....(3) The information recorded in accordance with paragraph (2) must include:
(a) the date, the places at which the holder of the log book embarked on and
disembarked from the aircraft and the time spent during the course of a flight when the holder was acting in either capacity......
Article 79.........
....(3) The information recorded in accordance with paragraph (2) must include:
(a) the date, the places at which the holder of the log book embarked on and
disembarked from the aircraft and the time spent during the course of a flight when the holder was acting in either capacity......
It is normal practice to record brakes off and brakes on times in civil logbooks, but not - in the UK at least, legally required. It's also worth remembering that whilst the military log take off to landing, civil flying logs brakes off to brakes on, which is longer.
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The simplest solution is to buy a civil logbook. Then:
Record flight time in the civil log book under civil rules
Record flight time in the UAS school exercise book under military rules
And fill in the logbook every evening! UAS students were notoriously bad at logging flights - I certainly was when I was a student! But there's so little flying these days that there really should be no excuse.
Record flight time in the civil log book under civil rules
Record flight time in the UAS school exercise book under military rules
And fill in the logbook every evening! UAS students were notoriously bad at logging flights - I certainly was when I was a student! But there's so little flying these days that there really should be no excuse.
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The rule i've heard is that for every military hour you can add 10 mins when coverting to civvi hours.
Although I prefer the idea of logging in two seperate books with two seperate rules as i've had to wait at the hold for over 30 mins before.. would of counted in civvi terms.. hehe
Although I prefer the idea of logging in two seperate books with two seperate rules as i've had to wait at the hold for over 30 mins before.. would of counted in civvi terms.. hehe
The rule i've heard is that for every military hour you can add 10 mins when coverting to civvi hours.
Although I prefer the idea of logging in two seperate books with two seperate rules as i've had to wait at the hold for over 30 mins before.. would of counted in civvi terms.. hehe
Although I prefer the idea of logging in two seperate books with two seperate rules as i've had to wait at the hold for over 30 mins before.. would of counted in civvi terms.. hehe
There are plenty of different civil logbooks to choose from - personally I'd recommend either the CAA's CAP 407, or Pooley's professional logbook, both easily compatible with Military logbooks.
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The taxi time allowance stuff is in LASORS Section A Appendix B, but it states in there it won't be accepted towards licence issue requirements. I strongly advise take up BEagles advice of running a parallel civvy logbook with chocks times in.
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Can anyone confirm yet whether "exemptions" means being disallowed hours completely? All of the supporting documents are fairly ambiguous, I'm just looking for a definite yes/no.
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I'm in the same situation
I'm in almost the same situation, including hours and dates. I sent you a message but I'm still a probationary person so no inbox.
Did you solve your problem and get your licence?
Did you solve your problem and get your licence?
Unfortunately and rather scandalously UAS hours count for precisely zero credit towards an EASA ppl. My son has found this out the hard way. Previously it was possible to credit some hours towards an lapl. Not anymore. My son acquired 95 hours over 5 years at UAS. Now on the modular route to an atpl with no credit. Go figure. Coupled with vat on flight training this is nothing short of ridiculous.
Indeed, whopity. I have tried to raise this with Balpa and zero interest generated. When apparently a pilot shortage, known barriers to flight training due expense, the UAS system is vetoed for no apparent reason. The trainees are uni students, selected, trained by current Air Force QFIs, aerobatics, solo etc and their flight time counts for foxtrot alpha. Unbelievable really.
Unfortunately you are spot on, Whopity. Makes no sense but there you go.