Help needed regarding FAA CPL IR
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Help needed regarding FAA CPL IR
Hi guys,
I need some advice as I'm getting some pretty contradictory information at the moment.
Situation as follows
A JAA CPL, ME, IR holder needs to obtain an FAA CPL, IR (single engine only needed)
Meets all the flight requirements for test other than what is dictated by FAR/AIM as necessary training with an authorised instructor.
Understand that an FAA PPL can be issued based on the JAA licenses held.
Understand that an IR can be added to the FAA PPL by sitting the Instrument Foreign Pilots test.
If with the CPL written then taken, plus flight test passed, will the CPL licence be credited with a full IR?
Some say yes and some say no.
I have been told that in order to have a functioning CPL IR that the Full IR written test +15 hours of mandatory training + flight test must be undertaken and then added to the PPL.
I know of people who have done it, and are flying on the licences, via the easier route......but is this a system anomally?
I've been told by other sources, who stand to make financial gain from the situation, that it is not possible to do it via the easier route.
Hope that makes sense and that somebody will be kind enough to shine some light on the situation.
Thanks for any help,
GS.
I need some advice as I'm getting some pretty contradictory information at the moment.
Situation as follows
A JAA CPL, ME, IR holder needs to obtain an FAA CPL, IR (single engine only needed)
Meets all the flight requirements for test other than what is dictated by FAR/AIM as necessary training with an authorised instructor.
Understand that an FAA PPL can be issued based on the JAA licenses held.
Understand that an IR can be added to the FAA PPL by sitting the Instrument Foreign Pilots test.
If with the CPL written then taken, plus flight test passed, will the CPL licence be credited with a full IR?
Some say yes and some say no.
I have been told that in order to have a functioning CPL IR that the Full IR written test +15 hours of mandatory training + flight test must be undertaken and then added to the PPL.
I know of people who have done it, and are flying on the licences, via the easier route......but is this a system anomally?
I've been told by other sources, who stand to make financial gain from the situation, that it is not possible to do it via the easier route.
Hope that makes sense and that somebody will be kind enough to shine some light on the situation.
Thanks for any help,
GS.
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You will need to do the CPL and IR written exams. The three hours training for CPL and the three hours for IR with an FAA CFII and then sit the two check rides with a DPE.
The IFP does not grant IR privileges to a full FAA certificate only a 61.75.
So if you want a full FAA CPL/IR, you jump through the hoops. Luckily the FAA are pragmatic enough to give you full credit for prior experience and only mandate minimum requirements as outlined above.
The IFP does not grant IR privileges to a full FAA certificate only a 61.75.
So if you want a full FAA CPL/IR, you jump through the hoops. Luckily the FAA are pragmatic enough to give you full credit for prior experience and only mandate minimum requirements as outlined above.
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If you meet the min. experience requirements for an FAA ATP you could do that instead. Only a single exam & flight test to get privileges that match CPL + IR. No minimum training required either although I'd strongly recommend some time with a US instructor to familiarise yourself with how things are done here.
No matter what you do, if it's your 1st US certificate you'll have to jump through the TSA insecurity bull!!!!.
No matter what you do, if it's your 1st US certificate you'll have to jump through the TSA insecurity bull!!!!.
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Everything has been answered satisfactorily already just a couple of details;
There is NO training requirement but teh 3 hrs for a check ride sign off; however it generally takes about 15 hrs (10 flights or so) to get somebody with a "fresh" European IR proficient to pass a IR cehckride in teh US.
Not because they can't fly Instruments but to:
Very unlikely; the FAA CPL SE consists of manuevers which are not flown in Europa-land, neither for the PPL nor for the CPL.
To gain proficiency in these maneuvers will take at the very least 6-8 hrs (4-6 flights) On top of that the applicant needs to meet the requirements of 61.129 which have recently changed. Ten hours of Instrument training is now required but that can be completed simulataneously with the average 15 hrs of instrument training.
Dual day and dual night cross countries need to be completed with an FAA authorized instructor (read an FAA certificated instructor) for another 2 hrs each.
In total you need to expect about 15 hrs for the IR and another 15 hrs for the CPL SE.
15 hours of mandatory training
Not because they can't fly Instruments but to:
- get familiar with local airports
- get familiar with the approaches likely to be flown
- get proficient in GPS approaches (if the aircraft has an IFR approved GPS)
- get familiar with radio communications and local procedures
The three hours training for CPL and the three hours for IR with an FAA CFII and then sit the two check rides with a DPE
To gain proficiency in these maneuvers will take at the very least 6-8 hrs (4-6 flights) On top of that the applicant needs to meet the requirements of 61.129 which have recently changed. Ten hours of Instrument training is now required but that can be completed simulataneously with the average 15 hrs of instrument training.
Dual day and dual night cross countries need to be completed with an FAA authorized instructor (read an FAA certificated instructor) for another 2 hrs each.
In total you need to expect about 15 hrs for the IR and another 15 hrs for the CPL SE.
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In total you need to expect about 15 hrs for the IR and another 15 hrs for the CPL SE.
I have seen plenty of people do it in those minima. The FAA specific manoeuvres are not difficult to master for a current commercial pilot and neither is the Instrument side. US charts are not rocket science and for those of us flying around Europe we have a pretty good exposure to constantly differing charts....
Of course if you have an interest in selling someone a 'conversion' course you will naturally have a differing opinion......
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I quoted what the minimum requirements are in accordance with the rules
You think we have no standards? That every DPE is Santa Claus?
9 out of 10
JAA CPL, ME, IR holder
What I stated earlier is based on my personal experience. European pilots are not as good as they think they are.
So you fly an exam route on your CPL that you have practiced with your FI several times before...impressive
I'd strongly recommend some time with a US instructor to familiarize yourself with how things are done here.
There's are reason why I rarely post in this sub forum, we've just seen it
To the original poster:
If you would like info send a PM, otherwise good luck on your conversion and let us know how everything went.
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Oh get back in your box. Plenty of people manage to go through in the FAA prescribed minima. It's not rocket science.
I have outlined the minima. It is up to the candidate to meet the standard. There are no other prescribed requirements.
I have every respect for the standards of the FAA system. It has sensible prescribed minima and gives full credit for past experience.
Let's not get into a pissing match on differences between the systems. As the holder of both FAA and JAA I can pull holes in both.
You have spent way to much time hanging around here as it looks like some of the gold plating JAA loves is rubbing off on you.....
Let's just leave it what the regs dictate and state some people will do it in the minima, others will take more.
I have outlined the minima. It is up to the candidate to meet the standard. There are no other prescribed requirements.
I have every respect for the standards of the FAA system. It has sensible prescribed minima and gives full credit for past experience.
Let's not get into a pissing match on differences between the systems. As the holder of both FAA and JAA I can pull holes in both.
You have spent way to much time hanging around here as it looks like some of the gold plating JAA loves is rubbing off on you.....
Let's just leave it what the regs dictate and state some people will do it in the minima, others will take more.
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You have spent way to much time hanging around here as it looks like some of the gold plating JAA loves is rubbing off on you
Let's just leave it what the regs dictate and state some people will do it in the minima, others will take more
