PPL Currency?
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Hi All,
I passed my PPL skills test last summer and had my license issued in October 07 but unfortunately I have not flown since due to a number of reasons - mainly financial
My question is how long will my license stay valid if I do not regularly fly? I know to keep my license current I need to fly each month but if I don’t fly for a considerable length of time will my license simply become invalid and require exams and tests to be retaken?
Many Thanks for your help........Mark
I passed my PPL skills test last summer and had my license issued in October 07 but unfortunately I have not flown since due to a number of reasons - mainly financial
My question is how long will my license stay valid if I do not regularly fly? I know to keep my license current I need to fly each month but if I don’t fly for a considerable length of time will my license simply become invalid and require exams and tests to be retaken?
Many Thanks for your help........Mark
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Your licence is valid for a period of 5 years.
Your rating to fly single engine piston aeroplanes is valid for 2 years. You need to fly 12 hours (6 of which must be p1, 1 hr dual with an instructor) in the last 12 months of this period for the licence to be revalidated 'by experience'.
If however, during this period you haven't flown for a period, to fly passengers you will need to have completed 3 take-off and landings within the last 90 days. Thats the rules of the land.
Club rules vary but are ususally a 'check-ride' if you haven't flown within the last 30 days.
Your rating to fly single engine piston aeroplanes is valid for 2 years. You need to fly 12 hours (6 of which must be p1, 1 hr dual with an instructor) in the last 12 months of this period for the licence to be revalidated 'by experience'.
If however, during this period you haven't flown for a period, to fly passengers you will need to have completed 3 take-off and landings within the last 90 days. Thats the rules of the land.
Club rules vary but are ususally a 'check-ride' if you haven't flown within the last 30 days.
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DD has put it very well indeed, but part of having a PPL is knowing this, or at least knowing where to look it up. If you have signed a club's Flying Orders book you have signed to say that you understand amongst other things, currency rules.
Remember your licence is valid for 5 years from date of issue, but your SEP is 24 months from the date of test. Even if you have your own plane and are not restricted by club currency rules, it would be wise to get an instructor to check you out again if you are low hours and not in current practise.
Remember your licence is valid for 5 years from date of issue, but your SEP is 24 months from the date of test. Even if you have your own plane and are not restricted by club currency rules, it would be wise to get an instructor to check you out again if you are low hours and not in current practise.
(£££ is the main cause as ever 
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kengineer,
as sherzo says...some would take this course of action..ie renew by flight proficiency check again....it might be a cheaper option, but bear in mind, if you have not done at least some hours and brushed up manouvers again, in my experience as an examiner , you are unlikely to be proficient enough to pass. that could mean a partial ( in which case you need to reapply with the additional cost that brings ) or a full fail ( unlikely ) with even more cost applying for a retest...
i have a friend who flies ATRs. he likes to keep his SEL and SEL IR alive but does'nt have the time to do the necessary in singles so he opts each time to take the flight check, but as he is flying constantly ( though the single is different ), and so he never has a problem passing it.
some do a few hours to brush with an instructor and take the flight check, but thats a personal choice. doing the required 12 hours and the hour with the instructor in that is, to most people, satisfactory.
with the cost of aviation these days and temporary draws on our resourses situations like yours are unavoidable, but remember the requirements are there to protect you ( and those that fly with you )
good luck.
the dean
as sherzo says...some would take this course of action..ie renew by flight proficiency check again....it might be a cheaper option, but bear in mind, if you have not done at least some hours and brushed up manouvers again, in my experience as an examiner , you are unlikely to be proficient enough to pass. that could mean a partial ( in which case you need to reapply with the additional cost that brings ) or a full fail ( unlikely ) with even more cost applying for a retest...
i have a friend who flies ATRs. he likes to keep his SEL and SEL IR alive but does'nt have the time to do the necessary in singles so he opts each time to take the flight check, but as he is flying constantly ( though the single is different ), and so he never has a problem passing it.
some do a few hours to brush with an instructor and take the flight check, but thats a personal choice. doing the required 12 hours and the hour with the instructor in that is, to most people, satisfactory.
with the cost of aviation these days and temporary draws on our resourses situations like yours are unavoidable, but remember the requirements are there to protect you ( and those that fly with you )
good luck.
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Something else to keep i mind, your license never actually expires, it is your medical that puts a 5 year "expiration date" on the license, no medical, invalid license. So five years from the date of your medical exam your license is invalid. Then you have all the recency requirements on top of that to stay current.
Something else to keep i mind, your license never actually expires, it is your medical that puts a 5 year "expiration date" on the license, no medical, invalid license. So five years from the date of your medical exam your license is invalid. Then you have all the recency requirements on top of that to stay current
A JAR-FCL PPL(A) has to be re-issued every 5 years (for no real reason) irrespective of medical validity or anything else.
It will not be re-issued unless you have a valid JAA Class 2 or JAA Class 1 medical certificate.
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There seems to be a large number of people that do not know how to log hours and what is acceptable in terms of how to operate in order to log hours.
Is this something new or has it always been an issue? Is it something that can be corrected at flying club level or should it be included in ground instruction? I personally teach my theory students about the logbook etc, does anyone else?
Is this something new or has it always been an issue? Is it something that can be corrected at flying club level or should it be included in ground instruction? I personally teach my theory students about the logbook etc, does anyone else?
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I personally teach my theory students about the logbook etc, does anyone else?
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And how long licences and ratings last for etc
I encourage my students to read the various LASORS, and FCL docs (although im sure it will all become EASA very soon) but some seem to think that im over teaching the legislation.
Ah well we can but try
I encourage my students to read the various LASORS, and FCL docs (although im sure it will all become EASA very soon) but some seem to think that im over teaching the legislation.
Ah well we can but try
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I was shown the AIP, Lasors, the CAA web site etc etc etc and believe I was taught very thoroughly.
However.... I recently came across a very experienced instructor/examiner who told me I could log P1S for a flight where I'd dragged an instructor with me (I was right on the limit of my currency on that type) and where he hadn't had to touch the controls or influence the flight in anyway.
I'd always been told that P1S was ONLY for the use of the successful completion of a test and said this to him, but he said I was wrong - so I logged PUT! (as I was taught originally!)
Not wanting to inflame the thread - but maybe instructors/examiners should look to themselves for the lack of knowledge/understanding in pilots rather than assume it must be laziness - as we usually do as we were taught.
However.... I recently came across a very experienced instructor/examiner who told me I could log P1S for a flight where I'd dragged an instructor with me (I was right on the limit of my currency on that type) and where he hadn't had to touch the controls or influence the flight in anyway.
I'd always been told that P1S was ONLY for the use of the successful completion of a test and said this to him, but he said I was wrong - so I logged PUT! (as I was taught originally!)
Not wanting to inflame the thread - but maybe instructors/examiners should look to themselves for the lack of knowledge/understanding in pilots rather than assume it must be laziness - as we usually do as we were taught.
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JAR-FCL has now been around since 2003 and it doesn't cease to amaze me, how many pilots STILL don't know the regs!
6 PIC hours minimum (can of course be all 12); other, missing, 6 hours CAN be instruction taken, either as a new student or training for another rating. In those cases the instructor is PIC, but you can still log the hours (as non-pic).
Some medicals are 5 years, some two, some one... so as has been said, it has nothing to do with the 5 year validity of your licence!
6 PIC hours minimum (can of course be all 12); other, missing, 6 hours CAN be instruction taken, either as a new student or training for another rating. In those cases the instructor is PIC, but you can still log the hours (as non-pic).
Some medicals are 5 years, some two, some one... so as has been said, it has nothing to do with the 5 year validity of your licence!
JAR-FCL has now been around since 2003
but maybe instructors/examiners should look to themselves for the lack of knowledge/understanding in pilots rather than assume it must be laziness
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Rules changed recently?
Hi Guys, a few questions if thats ok:
1) Somone told me they recently changed the rules to say you must fly 12 hours in the FIRST 12 months after passing your test to stay current - is this true??
Assuming thats NOT true:
2) Is it that you must fly 12 hours in the 24 months after passing your skills test? or after getting your lisence?
3) Is it right that the 12 hrs must be flown in the last 12 months, any anything flown before that (ie the first 12) doesn't count.
Thanks for the help with these, i've been having trouble finding these answers in the documentation.
M
1) Somone told me they recently changed the rules to say you must fly 12 hours in the FIRST 12 months after passing your test to stay current - is this true??
Assuming thats NOT true:
2) Is it that you must fly 12 hours in the 24 months after passing your skills test? or after getting your lisence?
3) Is it right that the 12 hrs must be flown in the last 12 months, any anything flown before that (ie the first 12) doesn't count.
Thanks for the help with these, i've been having trouble finding these answers in the documentation.
M
The rules for the NPPL changed, but the JAA rules have not changed and even under EASA, the revalidation rules will remain the same as they have been for the past 11 years.
The 12 months before the aircraft rating expiry (valid until) date. This should coincide with the aniversary of the PPL Skill Test date.
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There was a piece of paper issued with your licence that explained this, and probably pointed you at LASORS
Is it that you must fly 12 hours in the 24 months after passing your skills test? or after getting your lisence?
anything flown before that (ie the first 12) doesn't count.
i've been having trouble finding these answers in the documentation.