A question for Examiners, Instructors, Pilots & anyone else......
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From: Emirates Living - The Meadows
On the localiser and the glide
I agree with Whopity, BEagle BoseX and Aston Martin!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry the post doesn't add much to the thread but I just wanted to take the opportunity to show that I don't just disagree with everything y'all say.
So HFD & DFC you need to drop your tuppence worth in so that I can agree or disagree with you
VT
Sorry the post doesn't add much to the thread but I just wanted to take the opportunity to show that I don't just disagree with everything y'all say.
So HFD & DFC you need to drop your tuppence worth in so that I can agree or disagree with you
VT
Joined: Jan 1999
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From: Slowly decaying (disgracefully)
Did someone call ? 
I would give the same answer as every FE I know ... the FE should establish as relaxed an atmosphere as is possible under the circumstances so that the candidate can demo what they're capable of; clearly the setting of traps would not be appropriate.
My assumption at the outset is always that the candidate is going to pass, but now and again they have been put forward too early or nerves get in the way and the standard is sadly not good enough.
What I find tricky is when the bod is likely to bust airspace. As the legal Captain one must not let the aircraft enter without a clearance yet must give the candidate every opportunity to notice (and correct) the error of their ways. It can be a difficult balance to strike.
HFD
I would give the same answer as every FE I know ... the FE should establish as relaxed an atmosphere as is possible under the circumstances so that the candidate can demo what they're capable of; clearly the setting of traps would not be appropriate.
My assumption at the outset is always that the candidate is going to pass, but now and again they have been put forward too early or nerves get in the way and the standard is sadly not good enough.
What I find tricky is when the bod is likely to bust airspace. As the legal Captain one must not let the aircraft enter without a clearance yet must give the candidate every opportunity to notice (and correct) the error of their ways. It can be a difficult balance to strike.
HFD
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From: Australia
Indeed, especially when you can't look at the map yourself, as it would cue the candidate that something is wrong. Had such a case today... Partial pass. But that is JAA, not NZ.
Good examining is good examining in all parts of the world, with subtle variations in phraseology and assessment tasks. It is possible to assess a candidate's awareness of airspace without setting traps, but only ever in an amicable atmosphere and of course as per the national flight test guide as said above.
Two examples: If there was no possible way for the candidate to climb to the suggested height legally, it would be setting a trap. If the candidate could have climbed legally by heading in that direction but not this direction, that would be fair assessment of SA in NZ but not the JAA system. The presence of the words "when you're ready..." or "in your own time..." would increase fairness too.
An example I use of a completely unfair test in anyone's world is this: candidate is underneath CTA. Examiner firmly instructs candidate to climb to LL of CTA. (Legal in most ICAO states, UK is different.) Later on during S&L flight, candidate wanders up 100' which is the flight test tolerance. Candidate corrects, but examiner says sorry, you've failed for busting airspace. Candidate has reason to complain.
Good examining is good examining in all parts of the world, with subtle variations in phraseology and assessment tasks. It is possible to assess a candidate's awareness of airspace without setting traps, but only ever in an amicable atmosphere and of course as per the national flight test guide as said above.
Two examples: If there was no possible way for the candidate to climb to the suggested height legally, it would be setting a trap. If the candidate could have climbed legally by heading in that direction but not this direction, that would be fair assessment of SA in NZ but not the JAA system. The presence of the words "when you're ready..." or "in your own time..." would increase fairness too.
An example I use of a completely unfair test in anyone's world is this: candidate is underneath CTA. Examiner firmly instructs candidate to climb to LL of CTA. (Legal in most ICAO states, UK is different.) Later on during S&L flight, candidate wanders up 100' which is the flight test tolerance. Candidate corrects, but examiner says sorry, you've failed for busting airspace. Candidate has reason to complain.
Last edited by Oktas8; 9th July 2010 at 10:59.
