CABAIR : Sponsored FI course
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CABAIR : Sponsored FI course
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I noticed that Cabair offers this course to become a PPL FI in their PPL school.
With many advantages like a fixed paid I guess...
What do you think about it ? do they need instructors too, I mean the FTO ?
I'm french and I'll get a french CPL/IR but I would be deligthed to become FI in UK (in France is terrible...you're not even paid...) and I'll improve my english by the same time.
well it seems interesting but I do not know the price of this course.
thanks a lot
I noticed that Cabair offers this course to become a PPL FI in their PPL school.
With many advantages like a fixed paid I guess...
What do you think about it ? do they need instructors too, I mean the FTO ?
I'm french and I'll get a french CPL/IR but I would be deligthed to become FI in UK (in France is terrible...you're not even paid...) and I'll improve my english by the same time.
well it seems interesting but I do not know the price of this course.
thanks a lot
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From what I hear they may be offering it, but they are so desperately short of instructors that they do not have the resources to deliver the FI course anyway!
I was told by another person who tried to get the sponsorship that he tried in vain to speak to someone about it at Cabair, but got nowhere. He then came to me to do his FI course and pay for it himself.
If you have any success - let the rest of us know!
I was told by another person who tried to get the sponsorship that he tried in vain to speak to someone about it at Cabair, but got nowhere. He then came to me to do his FI course and pay for it himself.
If you have any success - let the rest of us know!
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that's look bad...
The problem I see is the pay is crap.
Of course they pay (they say that) the course but I wonder how can we live in UK with 1000£, that's a joke ? ( we all know life is the most expensive in UK in europe
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but if it is really true their course sponsorship, it is a great idea anyway.
The problem I see is the pay is crap.
Of course they pay (they say that) the course but I wonder how can we live in UK with 1000£, that's a joke ? ( we all know life is the most expensive in UK in europe
)but if it is really true their course sponsorship, it is a great idea anyway.
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I managed to speak to them after many attempts...they basically bond you for 10000 pounds for tow years, and they pay you 1000 pounds a month, but if you want to leave them before you have to pay the all lot, even if you have just one month to go!
I'm starting thinking that the famous desperate short of FI is not that true......why the schools don’t come up with something better than this if they need us?
I mean just a cheaper course, they could just break the even and keep you with them for as long as possible…..maybe paying you enough to survive..
It looks like they just need more costumers….for the FI too.
I'm starting thinking that the famous desperate short of FI is not that true......why the schools don’t come up with something better than this if they need us?
I mean just a cheaper course, they could just break the even and keep you with them for as long as possible…..maybe paying you enough to survive..
It looks like they just need more costumers….for the FI too.
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The guy you need to speak to regarding this is always a busy man. The staff who field your call to said man are always busy staff. They obviously are not that desperate for instructors or perhaps this scheme is not so rosy for them? Come to think of it, if the above info is true - it ain't so rosy for the instructor either! £1000/month pre-tax when instructing (and living) in the London area is pants.
You'd be better off doing the cheapest FIC you can find (usually abroad) and then approaching Cabair to instruct weekends whilst working a proper paying full-time job during the week. If Cabair are that desperate they'll bite your hand off and probably start offering you sweeteners to work during the week too at which point you can start taking them seriously without chaining yourself to a two year and £10k bond.
Anyone considering being bonded for FI work needs their bumps felt - at best you'll starve in winter and at worst you'll be £10k in debt when you have to pull out to get proper work. When you could've got your FI ticket for less than £6k that will irk you somewhat if yer ask me...
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You'd be better off doing the cheapest FIC you can find (usually abroad) and then approaching Cabair to instruct weekends whilst working a proper paying full-time job during the week. If Cabair are that desperate they'll bite your hand off and probably start offering you sweeteners to work during the week too at which point you can start taking them seriously without chaining yourself to a two year and £10k bond.
Anyone considering being bonded for FI work needs their bumps felt - at best you'll starve in winter and at worst you'll be £10k in debt when you have to pull out to get proper work. When you could've got your FI ticket for less than £6k that will irk you somewhat if yer ask me...
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Bearing in mind they stump up for your IR FI MCC and JOC its a great deal.
whats wrong with people. I would much rather be bonded for two years than have 60k over about 10 or 15 years to pay off!! with no gurantee of a job offer!
whats wrong with people. I would much rather be bonded for two years than have 60k over about 10 or 15 years to pay off!! with no gurantee of a job offer!
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I beleive that the person to speak to is Derek Edwards based at elstree? I guess he will give you info on the sponsored route. For those of you that said you phone with little success, why dont you drive down there and take your cv with you?
Secondly. If you join cabair with your instructors ticket in your hand you get
1)1000 paid into your bank at the end of every month. Based on the first 20 hours of flying for that month
2)On top of that any dual hours flown after are paid at £25 per flight hour
3)£10 per solo sign off per hour
4)£10 per ferry flight per hour
5) Groundschool I think is paid at a rate of £3 per student or £15 whichever is greater
I beleive that the person to speak to is Derek Edwards based at elstree? I guess he will give you info on the sponsored route. For those of you that said you phone with little success, why dont you drive down there and take your cv with you?
Secondly. If you join cabair with your instructors ticket in your hand you get
1)1000 paid into your bank at the end of every month. Based on the first 20 hours of flying for that month
2)On top of that any dual hours flown after are paid at £25 per flight hour
3)£10 per solo sign off per hour
4)£10 per ferry flight per hour
5) Groundschool I think is paid at a rate of £3 per student or £15 whichever is greater
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forgot to mention
If you need any info on the sponsored route. go to www.cabair.com then click on the career pilot link. When you do that there is a big link inthe middle of the screen that takes you to the sponsored fi page showing terms and conditions etc etc etc
If you need any info on the sponsored route. go to www.cabair.com then click on the career pilot link. When you do that there is a big link inthe middle of the screen that takes you to the sponsored fi page showing terms and conditions etc etc etc
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Only staff who have been there for some time get offered the £1000/month deal as they become 'Senior FI's'. Unless you are a senior FI with Cabair you will get £20/hr for instructional flights and that's it. The ferry flights are quite common and indeed you get £10/hr for those and any groundschool.
What they don't tell you when you start is that you work a month in lieu for the first month without any pay. All very well if you're ****ting money but not so good if you've moved down to the smoke, living in digs and on a hand to mouth basis.
I would seriously consider whether you wish to get bonded for 2 years regardless of what they offer to pay for. expedite08 reckons you get the IR, MCC and JOC thrown in too but I think he's seriously confused with another offer.
Best advice (other than my own
) is to go down there and see them - then you will see the operation and may even meet Mr.Edwards.
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Only staff who have been there for some time get offered the £1000/month deal as they become 'Senior FI's'. Unless you are a senior FI with Cabair you will get £20/hr for instructional flights and that's it. The ferry flights are quite common and indeed you get £10/hr for those and any groundschool.
What they don't tell you when you start is that you work a month in lieu for the first month without any pay. All very well if you're ****ting money but not so good if you've moved down to the smoke, living in digs and on a hand to mouth basis.
I would seriously consider whether you wish to get bonded for 2 years regardless of what they offer to pay for. expedite08 reckons you get the IR, MCC and JOC thrown in too but I think he's seriously confused with another offer.
Best advice (other than my own
) is to go down there and see them - then you will see the operation and may even meet Mr.Edwards. VFE.
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Expedite08 is correect with what he is saying. There are 3 different levels of sponsorship available to the wudbe instructor, and that depends on what flight tickets you already have.
1 Holder of Jaa CPL. you pay 10k cabair pay 10k
training received FIC, IR, MCC, JOC
Bonded for 18 months or 1000 hours whichever soonest on a non decreasing bon arrangement.
2 Holder of a Jaa CPL You pay 5k cabair pay 15k
All of the above except you are bonded for 2 years
3Holder of a jaa cpl and IR
Cabair pay for your FIC course, and they also provide IR and MEP revals and MCC
Bonded for 2 years or 1500 hours whichever soonest
Also, VFE i have heard from an extremely reliable source that the pay as i have mentioned in my previous thred is accurate.
Plus. you mentioned that you have to work a month in hand? Whats the problem there, even if you get a job at tescos you have to work a month in hand. Thats what salary jobs are all about. If you were able to do about 45/50 hours a month it would make cabair one of the best ppl instructor payers out there! Plus excellent prospects if you stuck around, like cpl and ir instruction
If you have a look at the cabair website there is a link to their instructor sponsorship page
1 Holder of Jaa CPL. you pay 10k cabair pay 10k
training received FIC, IR, MCC, JOC
Bonded for 18 months or 1000 hours whichever soonest on a non decreasing bon arrangement.
2 Holder of a Jaa CPL You pay 5k cabair pay 15k
All of the above except you are bonded for 2 years
3Holder of a jaa cpl and IR
Cabair pay for your FIC course, and they also provide IR and MEP revals and MCC
Bonded for 2 years or 1500 hours whichever soonest
Also, VFE i have heard from an extremely reliable source that the pay as i have mentioned in my previous thred is accurate.
Plus. you mentioned that you have to work a month in hand? Whats the problem there, even if you get a job at tescos you have to work a month in hand. Thats what salary jobs are all about. If you were able to do about 45/50 hours a month it would make cabair one of the best ppl instructor payers out there! Plus excellent prospects if you stuck around, like cpl and ir instruction
If you have a look at the cabair website there is a link to their instructor sponsorship page
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You work a month in hand and then another month before pay day. Effectively 2 months without pay. Sorry if I mislead you with my posting.
The deals are good for those without access to fundage and with no other option available to them. But be warned - they make you work for your money behind the desk in ops! You get shat on from a great height on a daily basis so your tenacity will be tested.... not to mention the determination required for passing the exams anyway. Not easy.
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The deals are good for those without access to fundage and with no other option available to them. But be warned - they make you work for your money behind the desk in ops! You get shat on from a great height on a daily basis so your tenacity will be tested.... not to mention the determination required for passing the exams anyway. Not easy.
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Still they have to find an FIC Instructor/s with the availability to do the course. The last guy they had lined up at Elstree to do that left for a far better job and salary.
Chances are you'll starve before you get the ticket anyway at the rate Cabair can train instructors at the moment as the majority of their instructors are working their proverbials off trying to reduce the back-log of 4500 hours on approved courses if they don't count people in ground school and then it would be closer to 6000hrs!! (some of the Commercial Instructors have as many as 12 students allocated to them - CAA allows only 4 per instructor).
Go figure why they are reluctant to return calls - sponsorship is fine, but if you don't have the staff to carry it to conclusion it isn't going to happen!
Chances are you'll starve before you get the ticket anyway at the rate Cabair can train instructors at the moment as the majority of their instructors are working their proverbials off trying to reduce the back-log of 4500 hours on approved courses if they don't count people in ground school and then it would be closer to 6000hrs!! (some of the Commercial Instructors have as many as 12 students allocated to them - CAA allows only 4 per instructor).
Go figure why they are reluctant to return calls - sponsorship is fine, but if you don't have the staff to carry it to conclusion it isn't going to happen!
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I've phoned them several times and have been given the brush-off by some very disinterested people. I'm an experienced FI, I can't get the info I want and they told me they're not interested in part-timers. They definitely don't give the impression of being short of instructors. Their arrogance might bite them.
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Their arrogance might bite them.
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I once called them looking to do a CPL/ME/IR and got no response. I now teach CPL/ME/IR. I learned a valuable lesson from just one non-returned phone call.........Your first instinct should not be disregarded lightly. -VE ROC
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Well, has anyone heard anything about this elusive scheme.
Its been very heavily marketed. Is it possible they are purely just marketing it at the moment and looking at people in the near future???
Its been very heavily marketed. Is it possible they are purely just marketing it at the moment and looking at people in the near future???
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Thought I'd post a direct link as people seem confused here.
Cabair Sponsored - FI
I did ask in another thread what these 'low paid' FI jobs are actually taking home? nobody replied last time.
It's a £1,000 NET pay ... So I'm thinking £15k per year for doing the 20hrs per month.
And then the £25 per flight hour after
£10 per solo sign off per hour
£10 per ferry flight per hour
£3 per student or £15 whichever is greater for groundschool.
I don't think this is a bad rate of pay to live off, but then I live in South Wales.
By working for Cabair for 18 months and gaining the FIC, IR, MCC, JOC through them (and probably my CPL before applying) wouldn't this put me in a very good position for a RHS with an airline?
Looking at paying the £10k and doing 18 months work myself, Am I correct in thinking they would pay off the £10k debt (from their half) after the 18 months is complete?
Surley the cost of doing the FIC (£6k), IR (£10k), MCC (£3k) & JOC (£2.5K) with a school like OAT / Cabair is going to amount to nearly £22k and you have a guaranteed job at the end with the marketing ploy of 'We have contacts with BA / Flybe etc'.
Doesn't sound all that bad to me? ... It might start my flying career off quicker than I thought too.
Cabair Sponsored - FI
I did ask in another thread what these 'low paid' FI jobs are actually taking home? nobody replied last time.
It's a £1,000 NET pay ... So I'm thinking £15k per year for doing the 20hrs per month.
And then the £25 per flight hour after
£10 per solo sign off per hour
£10 per ferry flight per hour
£3 per student or £15 whichever is greater for groundschool.
I don't think this is a bad rate of pay to live off, but then I live in South Wales.
By working for Cabair for 18 months and gaining the FIC, IR, MCC, JOC through them (and probably my CPL before applying) wouldn't this put me in a very good position for a RHS with an airline?
Looking at paying the £10k and doing 18 months work myself, Am I correct in thinking they would pay off the £10k debt (from their half) after the 18 months is complete?
Surley the cost of doing the FIC (£6k), IR (£10k), MCC (£3k) & JOC (£2.5K) with a school like OAT / Cabair is going to amount to nearly £22k and you have a guaranteed job at the end with the marketing ploy of 'We have contacts with BA / Flybe etc'.
Doesn't sound all that bad to me? ... It might start my flying career off quicker than I thought too.