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FI market in UK
As an FI working out of the UK at the moment does anyone have any idea as to the current market for FI's in the UK?
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skyhigher,
There are several places that you can try. How about Bristol? One of the better places to obtain your IR in the UK as the airspace there is relatively uncongested.
You should also consider places where there is a resident examiner:
Bristol
Leeds
Bournemouth
Cranfield
Exeter
Once you get your IR, you might try going to Jerez in Spain. The way things are at the moment, you would certainly get an interview.
There are several places that you can try. How about Bristol? One of the better places to obtain your IR in the UK as the airspace there is relatively uncongested.
You should also consider places where there is a resident examiner:
Bristol
Leeds
Bournemouth
Cranfield
Exeter
Once you get your IR, you might try going to Jerez in Spain. The way things are at the moment, you would certainly get an interview.
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PPL instructors please !
For years in the UK you could instruct with a PPL and an instructor rating, when the Europeans demanded that instructors have a CPL we were all told that the money would increase to match the "new" status.
The fact of the matter is that we are now short of instructors and I can think of at least two guy in my club who would make great instructors.
However with years of safe private flying and aged 50+ they are not going to get a CPL just to get paid a few pounds an hour, but they would do an instructor rating and do a much better job than a spotty youth CPL who spends all his time trying to get a jet job.
It's high time that AOPA and the PFA pushed this point at EASA (if they are not already doing so)
The fact of the matter is that we are now short of instructors and I can think of at least two guy in my club who would make great instructors.
However with years of safe private flying and aged 50+ they are not going to get a CPL just to get paid a few pounds an hour, but they would do an instructor rating and do a much better job than a spotty youth CPL who spends all his time trying to get a jet job.
It's high time that AOPA and the PFA pushed this point at EASA (if they are not already doing so)
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I'm not trying to get a jet job!
I don't think you can say that all instructors with a CPL are trying to get a jet job. Two of us from the CPL theory course at GTS had no intention of getting an ATPL because we are in our 40s and calculated there was no point in the extra expense.
I have been aiming to become an FI for years and slowly progressed through all the exams and tests - and am now within 6 hours of the end of my FI course. I have worked out that I can only afford to teach full time until October - as I'll run out of money by then. So it will then be weekends only as I will have to go back to my IT job to save up for the next summer!
I'll be after a job from 1st May onwards - if anyone knows of any
I have been aiming to become an FI for years and slowly progressed through all the exams and tests - and am now within 6 hours of the end of my FI course. I have worked out that I can only afford to teach full time until October - as I'll run out of money by then. So it will then be weekends only as I will have to go back to my IT job to save up for the next summer!
I'll be after a job from 1st May onwards - if anyone knows of any
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Abolish CPL exams
Yes I think that if they do away with the CPL licence requirement for FIs then they may as well bin the CPL exams. (NO one would bother)
It will go back to just needing the PPL exams in order to teach the PPL - exams done locally at the club house (no need to worry about all the hassle of the doing a formal exam) - you would just have to have a chat to the FIE after doing the FI course
Most of the money in flight instruction at PPL level goes to the person that owns the club and aircraft - the return of the PPL/FI is a must for them - they resent shelling out to people for instructing and they hate the idea that someone may want a career with decent money in flying - its this group of people so called 'industry stakeholders' that form the bulk of the lobby groups wanting to return to the old days - its vested interest dressed up dont be fooled...
It will go back to just needing the PPL exams in order to teach the PPL - exams done locally at the club house (no need to worry about all the hassle of the doing a formal exam) - you would just have to have a chat to the FIE after doing the FI course
Most of the money in flight instruction at PPL level goes to the person that owns the club and aircraft - the return of the PPL/FI is a must for them - they resent shelling out to people for instructing and they hate the idea that someone may want a career with decent money in flying - its this group of people so called 'industry stakeholders' that form the bulk of the lobby groups wanting to return to the old days - its vested interest dressed up dont be fooled...
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VFE,
Sorry for the late reply - Yes is the answer. My advice would be to make sure you have the various instructor add on ratings. You should be unrestricted with the ability to teach instrument flying. Having a ME instructor rating is a bonus.
Lifestyle wise, Jerez is quite different from the rest of the costas. Although there are quite a lot of other Europeans living in this region, its style is completely Spanish (culture, cuisine and language).
If you are a career instructor where lifestyle is the most important thing, then it would be worth getting in contact.
www.flighttrainingeurope.com
FJ
Sorry for the late reply - Yes is the answer. My advice would be to make sure you have the various instructor add on ratings. You should be unrestricted with the ability to teach instrument flying. Having a ME instructor rating is a bonus.
Lifestyle wise, Jerez is quite different from the rest of the costas. Although there are quite a lot of other Europeans living in this region, its style is completely Spanish (culture, cuisine and language).
If you are a career instructor where lifestyle is the most important thing, then it would be worth getting in contact.
www.flighttrainingeurope.com
FJ
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Within my club, at a busy GA airfield in south Warwickshire, this is really becoming an issue. There are very few potential FI(R) who come our way and are considered the 'right type' for our training ethos.
We could easily take another 2 or 3 instructors on a full time basis doing approximately 100 hours per month. Add to that, excellent conditions and good money, we really are wondering what else we can do to attract them. Interestingly, we have virtually no applications from female instructors, making it even more difficult to recruit them, despite trying to do so pro-actively.
Experience has shown that a raw restricted instructor is preferable, allowing us to develop their skills more to our needs.
XO
We could easily take another 2 or 3 instructors on a full time basis doing approximately 100 hours per month. Add to that, excellent conditions and good money, we really are wondering what else we can do to attract them. Interestingly, we have virtually no applications from female instructors, making it even more difficult to recruit them, despite trying to do so pro-actively.
Experience has shown that a raw restricted instructor is preferable, allowing us to develop their skills more to our needs.
XO
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I agree there is a cronic shortage of the right kind of instructor, I have just heard my school is looking for another full time unrestricted instructor to join a small but busy club in the NW. PM for more details.
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Im thinking of doing my FI rating (Im currently CPL/IR).
Anyone able to give me an indication of the payscale I can expect in the South East. Are you paid by the hour or is it possible to secure a salary??
Anyone able to give me an indication of the payscale I can expect in the South East. Are you paid by the hour or is it possible to secure a salary??
"The fact of the matter is that we are now short of instructors and I can think of at least two guy in my club who would make great instructors.
However with years of safe private flying and aged 50+ they are not going to get a CPL just to get paid a few pounds an hour, but they would do an instructor rating and do a much better job than a spotty youth CPL who spends all his time trying to get a jet job.
It's high time that AOPA and the PFA pushed this point at EASA (if they are not already doing so)"
Well, we're hoping to start by introducing an NPPL FI (SSEA) and a working group is being formed. The concept has been accepted by the NPPL P&SC and by the CAA; however, the devil will be in the detail and we must consider EASA's thoughts for the future European Light Aircraft Licence.
The 'experienced private pilot instructor' such as you describe is precisely what we hope to achieve.
But we must also accept the reality of 'hours builders' and not tar them all with the same brush.
However with years of safe private flying and aged 50+ they are not going to get a CPL just to get paid a few pounds an hour, but they would do an instructor rating and do a much better job than a spotty youth CPL who spends all his time trying to get a jet job.
It's high time that AOPA and the PFA pushed this point at EASA (if they are not already doing so)"
Well, we're hoping to start by introducing an NPPL FI (SSEA) and a working group is being formed. The concept has been accepted by the NPPL P&SC and by the CAA; however, the devil will be in the detail and we must consider EASA's thoughts for the future European Light Aircraft Licence.
The 'experienced private pilot instructor' such as you describe is precisely what we hope to achieve.
But we must also accept the reality of 'hours builders' and not tar them all with the same brush.
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How long do you think it will take before the NPPL FI concept is introduced? This is something quite a few people I know would love to do, (but at the moment, as you know, are constricted by the requirement for the CPL writtens).
How long do you think it will take before the NPPL FI concept is introduced? This is something quite a few people I know would love to do, (but at the moment, as you know, are constricted by the requirement for the CPL writtens).
Sorry, I can't possibly say. For the following reasons:
1. Agreement between the industry bodies proposing the idea is needed. Nothing will happen until this is secured.
2. Knowledge of EASA's concepts will be required.
3. A formal industry proposal would then be put to the CAA.
4. The CAA would then need to decide whether a Regulatory Impact Assessment is needed.
5. Consultation with all interested parties may be needed.
6. Amendment to the ANO would be needed.
None of the above have any sure timescales.
1. Agreement between the industry bodies proposing the idea is needed. Nothing will happen until this is secured.
2. Knowledge of EASA's concepts will be required.
3. A formal industry proposal would then be put to the CAA.
4. The CAA would then need to decide whether a Regulatory Impact Assessment is needed.
5. Consultation with all interested parties may be needed.
6. Amendment to the ANO would be needed.
None of the above have any sure timescales.
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Strange aim - unprofessional instructors
Being new to the flying instructing market (having been in IT for many years) I am quite puzzled why some people seem to be pushing to have non-professional pilots as instructors (experienced PPLs). I'd have thought that everyone would have been trying to raise standards and have minimum qualifications and can't see why someone wouldn't be able or willing to get a CPL enroute to being an instructor.
Every other industry I can think of is trying to professionalise and set standards - even Financial advisors now have to be qualified! The teaching profession has qualified teachers - would it be the same to have experienced amaters in schools? Perhaps we could envisage experienced but unqualified doctors operating on people to cut waiting lists?
Perhaps I'm missing the point bit it would seem to me that the only benefit will be to the flying school owners. If you allow experienced PPLs to get paid instruction then the pay for all FIs will drop instantly as the market will be flooded with all those PPLs with enough experience. Supply will exceed demand - market forces apply.
Every other industry I can think of is trying to professionalise and set standards - even Financial advisors now have to be qualified! The teaching profession has qualified teachers - would it be the same to have experienced amaters in schools? Perhaps we could envisage experienced but unqualified doctors operating on people to cut waiting lists?
Perhaps I'm missing the point bit it would seem to me that the only benefit will be to the flying school owners. If you allow experienced PPLs to get paid instruction then the pay for all FIs will drop instantly as the market will be flooded with all those PPLs with enough experience. Supply will exceed demand - market forces apply.