Training from unlicenced aerodromes
OK, let's try it this way - bear in mind we are talking about the situation pre-JAR
Paragraph (2) says that a CPL holder can "...as pilot in command of an aeroplane of a type or class on which he is so qualified and which is specified in an aircraft rating included in the licence when the aeroplane is engaged on a flight for any purpose whatsoever." Note the 'aircraft rating' bit.
Paragraph (4) says that a CPL holder"...shall be entitled to fly as pilot in command of an aeroplane of a type or class specified in an instructor’s rating included in the licence on a flight for the purpose of aerial work which consists of:
(a) the giving of instruction in flying; or
(b) the conducting of flying tests for the purposes of this Order;
in either case in an aeroplane owned, or operated under arrangements entered into, by a flying club of which the person giving the instruction or conducting the test and the person receiving the instruction or undergoing the test are both members. Note the 'instructor's rating' bit.
So, a pilot can fly as pilot in command of an aeroplane that is specified in an aircraft rating for any purpose whatsoever (including training and testing) but can fly an aircraft that is specified in an instructors rating (but not specified in an aircraft rating) for the purpose of aerial work (i.e. training or testing) only within the 'flying club' restriction.
Think about it this way - Before JAR you had professional privileges on any SEP or MEP aircraft for which you held a type rating but only private priveleges for other aircraft in the class for which you didn't hold a type rating. However, you could train or test on any SEP or MEP aircraft for which you didn't hold a type rating, but only with the 'flying club' restriction.
If the restrictions of para (4) applied, how could examiners do their job? they would have to join every 'club' of which their candidates were members. Consider this - last week, I got a call from a private owner who wanted to revalidate his IR on his own aeroplane - which 'club' do we both join to allow me to conduct the test? (btw, the aircraft is a Citation1)
I'm afraid I don't know how I can make it any clearer -
1. You don't need to be a member of a 'club' to give or receive flight instruction unless the instructor concerned holds only a PPL
2. Aircraft flying for the purpose of flight instruction (for a licence, aircraft rating or night qualification) may not land or take-off except at an aerodrome licensed for the purpose or at a government aerodrome
Paragraph (2) says that a CPL holder can "...as pilot in command of an aeroplane of a type or class on which he is so qualified and which is specified in an aircraft rating included in the licence when the aeroplane is engaged on a flight for any purpose whatsoever." Note the 'aircraft rating' bit.
Paragraph (4) says that a CPL holder"...shall be entitled to fly as pilot in command of an aeroplane of a type or class specified in an instructor’s rating included in the licence on a flight for the purpose of aerial work which consists of:
(a) the giving of instruction in flying; or
(b) the conducting of flying tests for the purposes of this Order;
in either case in an aeroplane owned, or operated under arrangements entered into, by a flying club of which the person giving the instruction or conducting the test and the person receiving the instruction or undergoing the test are both members. Note the 'instructor's rating' bit.
So, a pilot can fly as pilot in command of an aeroplane that is specified in an aircraft rating for any purpose whatsoever (including training and testing) but can fly an aircraft that is specified in an instructors rating (but not specified in an aircraft rating) for the purpose of aerial work (i.e. training or testing) only within the 'flying club' restriction.
Think about it this way - Before JAR you had professional privileges on any SEP or MEP aircraft for which you held a type rating but only private priveleges for other aircraft in the class for which you didn't hold a type rating. However, you could train or test on any SEP or MEP aircraft for which you didn't hold a type rating, but only with the 'flying club' restriction.
If the restrictions of para (4) applied, how could examiners do their job? they would have to join every 'club' of which their candidates were members. Consider this - last week, I got a call from a private owner who wanted to revalidate his IR on his own aeroplane - which 'club' do we both join to allow me to conduct the test? (btw, the aircraft is a Citation1)
I'm afraid I don't know how I can make it any clearer -
1. You don't need to be a member of a 'club' to give or receive flight instruction unless the instructor concerned holds only a PPL
2. Aircraft flying for the purpose of flight instruction (for a licence, aircraft rating or night qualification) may not land or take-off except at an aerodrome licensed for the purpose or at a government aerodrome
