Not allowed to fly in UK due to the fact that my PPL was done abroad
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I think the fact that a PPL holder gained his license in a foreign state is irrelevant, a license is not reflection of ability.
Thankfully, standardisation of JAA training (at least in this country) is pushing dodgy practises and schools out. A structured syllabus and monitoring of training facilities will eventually lead to a level playing field as far as minimum knowledge and ability required to gain a license.
I am sure we have all come across people turning up wanting a quick check flight with a view to hiring, that have turned out to be complete and utter f***wits not to be allowed within ten miles of an aeroplane. Not all of these are foreign license holders or JAA license holders trained abroad. Infact, a high percentage are trained in the UK.
Only today, on a check flight with a UK PPL/IMC holder, when asked why he didn't use the carb heat once during the flight, replied "But it's the summer, you only use carb heat during the winter when it is icy". Then after a PFL on the go around, tried to raise all three stages of flap in one go at low IAS argued that he had been taught that "the aircraft would accelerate better when clean"!!! (doesn't accelerate very well ploughing a hole in the ground).
My point. we should not pre judge a person based on the license he holds, or the state that he received training for that license, but by assesment during a check flight or flights, and a good grilling on the peculiarities of UK airspace, law and procedures.
There are some very good schools abroad employing some very dedicated and professional instructers, and then again!!
Thankfully, standardisation of JAA training (at least in this country) is pushing dodgy practises and schools out. A structured syllabus and monitoring of training facilities will eventually lead to a level playing field as far as minimum knowledge and ability required to gain a license.
I am sure we have all come across people turning up wanting a quick check flight with a view to hiring, that have turned out to be complete and utter f***wits not to be allowed within ten miles of an aeroplane. Not all of these are foreign license holders or JAA license holders trained abroad. Infact, a high percentage are trained in the UK.
Only today, on a check flight with a UK PPL/IMC holder, when asked why he didn't use the carb heat once during the flight, replied "But it's the summer, you only use carb heat during the winter when it is icy". Then after a PFL on the go around, tried to raise all three stages of flap in one go at low IAS argued that he had been taught that "the aircraft would accelerate better when clean"!!! (doesn't accelerate very well ploughing a hole in the ground).
My point. we should not pre judge a person based on the license he holds, or the state that he received training for that license, but by assesment during a check flight or flights, and a good grilling on the peculiarities of UK airspace, law and procedures.
There are some very good schools abroad employing some very dedicated and professional instructers, and then again!!
Here we go again - someone with a vanishingly small posting history poses a completely fictitious circumstance and is never seen again - Meanwhile, the usual suspects fall for it hook line and sinker, generating a completely spurious debate and decrying a circumstance that has never, in fact, existed.
Can you all really not see that you have been played for fools?
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Can you all really not see that you have been played for fools?
Remember -
As these are anonymous forums the origins of the contributions may be opposite to what may be apparent. In fact the press may use it, or the unscrupulous, to elicit certain reactions.
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I don't see how my previous post could be considered contentious in any way, it was an opinion based on experience. As for the fact that I have very few posts, I have very little time spend glued to PPRuNE when trying to fit in 3 jobs and a family.
I didn't realise that membership and authenticity on PPRuNE was based on attendance.
As for yourself, if you have managed to breeze through your instructing career without experiencing the sort of person I describe, you have been extremely lucky.
Oh well that is one more post towards that magic number, what ever that might be!
I don't see how my previous post could be considered contentious in any way, it was an opinion based on experience. As for the fact that I have very few posts, I have very little time spend glued to PPRuNE when trying to fit in 3 jobs and a family.
I didn't realise that membership and authenticity on PPRuNE was based on attendance.
As for yourself, if you have managed to breeze through your instructing career without experiencing the sort of person I describe, you have been extremely lucky.
Oh well that is one more post towards that magic number, what ever that might be!
I don't see how my previous post could be considered contentious in any way, it was an opinion based on experience.
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Why all these "troll" accusations? Billie Bob, you are a sad man who needs to get out more.
Cheers for all the replies supporting my cause, I felt no further need to post as I have nothing more to say on the issue, the replies I have received have answered my original question and I am now fairly sure that the flying schools I have spoken to are not the norm wrt their attitude to foreign licences.
Actually I take that back, I am actually a journalist and am writing an article entitled "British Flying Schools Prejudice to Foreign Licences, shock! horror!" which will shortly be appearing in the next issue of my publication.
Some people really are complete tossers, and I take great offence at their pathetic efforts to discredit my queery.
The reason why I have a low post count is because I only just discovered this site recently.
I piss on the likes of Billy Bob and bookworm from a great height.
Cheers for all the replies supporting my cause, I felt no further need to post as I have nothing more to say on the issue, the replies I have received have answered my original question and I am now fairly sure that the flying schools I have spoken to are not the norm wrt their attitude to foreign licences.
Actually I take that back, I am actually a journalist and am writing an article entitled "British Flying Schools Prejudice to Foreign Licences, shock! horror!" which will shortly be appearing in the next issue of my publication.
Some people really are complete tossers, and I take great offence at their pathetic efforts to discredit my queery.
The reason why I have a low post count is because I only just discovered this site recently.
I piss on the likes of Billy Bob and bookworm from a great height.
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Of course, that great height you require for urination will have to be a building as nobody seems to want to rent you an aircraft. especially if you're planning a piddle from said puddle jumper.
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Why don't you just change the licence issuing state to the UK. It take one from to the Spanish CAA and one to the UK CAA (and a fee of course). Then you just have a UK issued JAA licence. There nothing wrong with that and it solves your problem.
Why don't you just change the licence issuing state to the UK. It take one from to the Spanish CAA and one to the UK CAA (and a fee of course). Then you just have a UK issued JAA licence. There nothing wrong with that and it solves your problem.
