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Old 24th Nov 2005, 11:47
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Most of the suggestions so far just perpetuate the us/them barrier, why not try and deal with the barrier rather than building it higher. If you don't get anywhere you can still vote with your feet.
Talk to the management, explain your grievances, get them to explain the operating situation, suggest positive ways forward, try to build a team. It's not in anyone's interest to have a high staff turnover and it can only help if everyone understands the overall picture from every viewpoint.

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Old 25th Nov 2005, 10:07
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The "Them and Us" barrier is not usually created by the instructors, especially when certain schools see an FI as a necessary evil rather than a vital member of the team.

I very much doubt whether any olive branches would work in this situation, but it's worth a try, at least you would have done your best to resolve the situation. If they don't respond, then f**k 'em.
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Old 26th Nov 2005, 07:52
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Having some experience of such (industrial relation) matters, if ALL the instructors as a group ask politely, something might happen. If you collectively threaten, then you're just likely to cause an entrenched position in the management. If one person only asks, they'll probably get isolated, sidelined, or "eased out".

If you are going to collectively threaten, for goodness sake all join an appropriate trade union and get them behind you.

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Old 27th Nov 2005, 16:49
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I have been employing up to 100 people doing variable hours for the last 14 years (not in aviation). Two things are important.

1. Nowadays the 'self employed' status is not always valid, particularly in conditions where an employer is the 'main' employer of a person. It does not automatically allow avoidance of NI, tax or any employment legislation issues and employing staff on a 'self employed' basis cannot be used by an employer to evade these. The relevence of this to an employer is that they may have a responsibility for payment of income tax and NI even if staff are classified as 'self employed'. The relevence to a 'self employed' person is that they may still have the full protection of employment legislation including the right relating to unfair dismissal.

2. Where an employee is requested to attend for any period of time (and this includes being 'on call' even if this is in the employees own home) then at least the minimum wage must be payed for the full period of time requested.

I say may above because situations can vary but there are important issues to anyone who uses the 'self employed' method of paying staff, especially if this is done as a way of avoiding tax, NI or employment law issues.
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Old 27th Nov 2005, 20:44
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Flingingwings seems to work for a fairly industry standard FTO. There is a place nestled between the Luton and Stanstead zones that would make his current employer to be pure Arcadia by comparison!
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