Renewing FIC Rating
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Renewing FIC Rating
Hi,
My FI rating lapsed (in feb) while I was on a type rating course and I'd like to get it back again so I can keep doing some instructing in my spare time.
I believe that I have to do a flight test (which I can sort easily) and a seminar?
But where can I find out where and when seminars etc are being held?
Cheers
LP
My FI rating lapsed (in feb) while I was on a type rating course and I'd like to get it back again so I can keep doing some instructing in my spare time.
I believe that I have to do a flight test (which I can sort easily) and a seminar?
But where can I find out where and when seminars etc are being held?
Cheers
LP
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Seminars
Hi Loony_Pilot
I believe there are three providers of flying instructor seminars. I haven't used any of them, so in alphabetical order:
AOPA : AOPA website
Examiner Training Agency : ETA website
On-Track Aviation : On-Track website
Hope this helps!
Regards,
PA28pilot
I believe there are three providers of flying instructor seminars. I haven't used any of them, so in alphabetical order:
AOPA : AOPA website
Examiner Training Agency : ETA website
On-Track Aviation : On-Track website
Hope this helps!
Regards,
PA28pilot
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From: cambridgeshire
Mines coming up for renewal soon.I'm just gonna do a flight test and be done with it. If your rating has already lasped then a flight test will suffice I believe. If it has not lasped then you can renew by going to a seminar and have a certain amount of instruction.
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Alternate revalidations are now required to be by flight check.
For renewal, which is what will be required for a lapsed FI Rating, both a renewal FI test and a seminar must be completed.
For renewal, which is what will be required for a lapsed FI Rating, both a renewal FI test and a seminar must be completed.
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I understand that you cant keep revalidating by doing flight tests but need to go to a seminar once in a while. I'm revalidating this year with a flight test as i'm doing the course to remove my no applied bit. I would hope anyway that in another 3years I will be well and truly familiar with what the rest of the world looks like from FL350. I may keep it up I don't know.
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Delta Wun Wun, your first revalidation must be by flight test if you have flown the 100/30 instructional hours; all renewals invariably require flight test and seminar.
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Delta Wun Wun - do you understand the difference between renewal and revalidation? You must learn these definitions and be prepared to explain them to your students!
Suggest you check LASORS - I've explained several times what the requirements are; if you don't understand then reading LASORS is your best option.
Suggest you check LASORS - I've explained several times what the requirements are; if you don't understand then reading LASORS is your best option.
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BEagle,
Are you quite certain that the first revalidation must be by flight test rather than seminar (if you've flown the 100/30 instructional hours)? Mine is due in about a year, and I keep getting different answers on this. Several people said I had to do a test, then both an examiner and someone from one of the organisations running seminars told me I definitely wouldn't! Now you say I do. I can find nothing about it in LASORS or anywhere else. Please can you point me to where it says in writing that I have to do a test. I'd really like to get this sorted out, and I'd be happier to rely on the written word rather than numerous opinions.
Oh, and I'm a rotary FI, in case it makes any difference...I'm pretty certain it doesn't.
Delta Wun Wun,
If you get it all sorted before the three years finishes, and you have 100 instructional hours, with 30 in the last year, you can do a test OR a seminar...subject to complicated rules about which of those two you do.
And it's called a revalidation. If you leave it longer than the three years, you have to attend a seminar AND do a test, and it's called a renewal.
However, since I don't claim to be an expert, having only about as much or as little experience as you, maybe checking LASORS as BEagle suggest isn't such a bad idea anyway.
Are you quite certain that the first revalidation must be by flight test rather than seminar (if you've flown the 100/30 instructional hours)? Mine is due in about a year, and I keep getting different answers on this. Several people said I had to do a test, then both an examiner and someone from one of the organisations running seminars told me I definitely wouldn't! Now you say I do. I can find nothing about it in LASORS or anywhere else. Please can you point me to where it says in writing that I have to do a test. I'd really like to get this sorted out, and I'd be happier to rely on the written word rather than numerous opinions.
Oh, and I'm a rotary FI, in case it makes any difference...I'm pretty certain it doesn't.
Delta Wun Wun,
If you get it all sorted before the three years finishes, and you have 100 instructional hours, with 30 in the last year, you can do a test OR a seminar...subject to complicated rules about which of those two you do.
And it's called a revalidation. If you leave it longer than the three years, you have to attend a seminar AND do a test, and it's called a renewal. However, since I don't claim to be an expert, having only about as much or as little experience as you, maybe checking LASORS as BEagle suggest isn't such a bad idea anyway.
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Beagle,
Yes I understand the difference......but then I don`t try and it explain it at 2340 hrs to my students after a 12 hr shift.....my own fault for trying to read Pprune at such a god unearthly hour.
Whirly,
As I understand it the rules changed about 12 mths agoish whereby your first REVALIDATION must be by flight test not seminar....anyway if you are not sure just send the CAA some money anyway.....always works for me
Yes I understand the difference......but then I don`t try and it explain it at 2340 hrs to my students after a 12 hr shift.....my own fault for trying to read Pprune at such a god unearthly hour.
Whirly,
As I understand it the rules changed about 12 mths agoish whereby your first REVALIDATION must be by flight test not seminar....anyway if you are not sure just send the CAA some money anyway.....always works for me
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Whirlybird, the requirement has been in place for over 2 years. If your FI Rating was issued after 1 Mar 03, the first revalidation must include a FI proficiency check. There is no distinction between FI(A) or FI(H). If your Rating was issued before 1 Mar 03, you may choose the '2 out of 3' option, but thereafter at least every alternate revalidation must includ a FI proficiency check. See AIC 20/2003 (White 74) dated 6 Mar 03.
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So I'm two months too late, and I gotta do a test!!! 
Thanks for that, BEagle. I'll look it up, but the fact that it's that recent explains why I'm getting so many different answers; no-one can ever keep up with all these rule changes.
Thanks for that, BEagle. I'll look it up, but the fact that it's that recent explains why I'm getting so many different answers; no-one can ever keep up with all these rule changes.
