instructing in the states
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hi all. .would love at some point to instruct...(crazy i know)...there was one thing that crossed my mind.. .leaving aside greencards etc...can u instruct JAA students in the States whilst holding JAA licences?. .ta <img src="wink.gif" border="0">
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Hi pipergirl,
I, like you, was thinking the exact same thing, with the way the instructor job market will be drying up in the UK I was looking at going stateside to do some instructing. I know you can stay there on a J1 visa, but can you instruct on a JAA FI or do you have to get an FAA FI?
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I, like you, was thinking the exact same thing, with the way the instructor job market will be drying up in the UK I was looking at going stateside to do some instructing. I know you can stay there on a J1 visa, but can you instruct on a JAA FI or do you have to get an FAA FI?
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If you find an answer to that question - and wish to take them up on it...ENSURE they can (and will) get you a valid work visa for the job you intend to do...and that should be NO PROBLEM at the moment.
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Am a Canadian citizen and have been told by US and Canadian Embassies that I would not need a work visa/permit. So I guess it's a question of finding a school that would be interested really!
. .tas
Am a Canadian citizen and have been told by US and Canadian Embassies that I would not need a work visa/permit. So I guess it's a question of finding a school that would be interested really!
. .tas
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Try <a href="http://www.ukft.com" target="_blank">www.ukft.com</a>
They are a JAA school in the US and maybe interesrted if you hold the JAA FI. The mainly use FAA FI but it cant hurt to have a word...
Julian.
They are a JAA school in the US and maybe interesrted if you hold the JAA FI. The mainly use FAA FI but it cant hurt to have a word...
Julian.
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Can you instruct in USA, in a N registered plane under the wings of your JAA FI? Now thats a tough question. I know school who hire JAA FI to teach JAA CPL and IR courses. If you only have JAA FI, you cannot give any FAA endorsements. Which means you cannot give FAA first solo endorsement, first and any subsequent cross country endorsements. So the answer is NO. . .If you want to be hundred percent sure, write an email to either FAA or AOPA.
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Captain M. - yeah, I too instructed in the USA with no FAA CFI rating.
FSDO (and the school) assured us that provided we didn't instruct to wards any FAA ratings - or signed off any student flight that required authorisation (see DesiPilot posting above) - we were allowed to instruct with just our FAA PPL (issued on the strength of...) and our UK instructor ratings.
I was never happy with this...but FSDO and the (reputable) school were. I'm not saying their view is correct...I'm just saying that the FAA didn't mind the situation provided we did not train towards an FAA rating.
Indeed, I was interviewed by the local office some years later, following an incident, and they agreed with the scenario..quite happy, no action taken, no file opened.
I still disagree with it - from a personal point of view....I think you should have FAA ratings to teach in N reg aircraft in Federal Airspace (but I'm not the FAA [just work with them]).
TAS!! Although I didn't make it clear, my comment on being snapped up by a US school at the moment was directed towards anyone holding a JAA instructor qualification. If you have (just?) Canadian or FAA then I would think, post 9/11, that your situation would be harder to justify.
FSDO (and the school) assured us that provided we didn't instruct to wards any FAA ratings - or signed off any student flight that required authorisation (see DesiPilot posting above) - we were allowed to instruct with just our FAA PPL (issued on the strength of...) and our UK instructor ratings.
I was never happy with this...but FSDO and the (reputable) school were. I'm not saying their view is correct...I'm just saying that the FAA didn't mind the situation provided we did not train towards an FAA rating.
Indeed, I was interviewed by the local office some years later, following an incident, and they agreed with the scenario..quite happy, no action taken, no file opened.
I still disagree with it - from a personal point of view....I think you should have FAA ratings to teach in N reg aircraft in Federal Airspace (but I'm not the FAA [just work with them]).
TAS!! Although I didn't make it clear, my comment on being snapped up by a US school at the moment was directed towards anyone holding a JAA instructor qualification. If you have (just?) Canadian or FAA then I would think, post 9/11, that your situation would be harder to justify.
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I taught in the States for a while (hello Capt Mainwaring!) and it was a bit 'grey'. We came to the conclusion that we could teach JAA on JAA ticket but NOT authorise any solo work, so we got an FAA CFI to do that bit!
I did enjoy the flying though!
JWF
I did enjoy the flying though!
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WMU's policy was for all UK instructors to have a FAA ATP & CFI as a minimum and would not allow any instructing to be done on the cadets until so qualified. Personally I cannot understand anyone wanting to do it any other way, very unprofessional.
The FAA did indeed stop it happening at other schools, mainly in Florida. I had a discussion with an FAA examiner (FAA employed) and he was very pleased to see WMU leading the way...
The FAA did indeed stop it happening at other schools, mainly in Florida. I had a discussion with an FAA examiner (FAA employed) and he was very pleased to see WMU leading the way...
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Gone West -
"TAS!! Although I didn't make it clear, my comment on being snapped up by a US school at the moment was directed towards anyone holding a JAA instructor qualification. If you have (just?) Canadian or FAA then I would think, post 9/11, that your situation would be harder to justify. "
Question - Are you being sarcastic or is there a demand for JAA instructors? You're just getting me thinking here on a wet day in winter looking at our grass strip that's unusable again....
And would they actually pay me? <img src="eek.gif" border="0">
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"TAS!! Although I didn't make it clear, my comment on being snapped up by a US school at the moment was directed towards anyone holding a JAA instructor qualification. If you have (just?) Canadian or FAA then I would think, post 9/11, that your situation would be harder to justify. "
Question - Are you being sarcastic or is there a demand for JAA instructors? You're just getting me thinking here on a wet day in winter looking at our grass strip that's unusable again....
And would they actually pay me? <img src="eek.gif" border="0">
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According to the FAA's website (www.faa.org) under CFR14 chapter 1 part 61.41 the holder of an ICAO instructor's rating can teach the FAA syllabus providing they do so outside the US. It makes no mention of teaching JAA inside the US. However, since instructing is classed as a commercial activity and you are required to hold a FAA CPL, CFI and relevant work permit to exercise commercial privileges in the US I would think you would be on very dodgy ground if you attempted to use your JAA commercial privileges in their back yard.. .Best to email the FAA for chapter and verse, though...
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Mole.... .. .Not a bit of sarcasm (which isn't like me!!).. .Deadly serious...would expect a JAA instructor to be a VERY useful tool - but would expect them to get FAA qualification (easier to get though!!), too.. .. .There most definately is work for JAA instructors in the USA right now!!....indeed, I've even posted on pprune to ask for some!! (not for me - I do not have a flight school).. .. .....but I do have e-mail.. .. .<<edit is to say..."apologies for delay in responding - I had to go back "East" to England for four days" - rather pleasant>>. . . . <small>[ 05 March 2002, 03:48: Message edited by: GoneWest ]</small>
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The majority of people,in my experience,who teach in the USA,have trained at the establishment at which they teach therefore they have FAA commercial instrument and cfi tickets-the question however has now been put on the other foot,as the caa/jaa have deceided to try and halt the teaching of JAA ppls in the states by FAA qualified pilots-a rediculous measure aimed at wiping out small fto's that slice into their profits,the figures of 500 total time with 200 as cfi has been put forward -i dont know many young instructors in england that have this -i know the majority of instructors in the states however have many more hours than this,my advice however is try and get a clear indication from both the JAA and FAA before venturing out here,as for the visa issue,you can instruct here on an m1 student visa but only if its a continuing part of your course of study
