Cabair a wonderful company to work for??
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Hi retro
Do cabair want you to have an IR or IMC for an instructors job? I have a feeling IMC is essential for instructing?? Am I right?? Do they give preference to potential instructors who have an IR ?
Would Cabair allow you to do weekend or part time instructing while training for an IR?
Sorry If Im hijacking this thread, its just seems that all the Cabair people are here!!
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Do cabair want you to have an IR or IMC for an instructors job? I have a feeling IMC is essential for instructing?? Am I right?? Do they give preference to potential instructors who have an IR ?
Would Cabair allow you to do weekend or part time instructing while training for an IR?
Sorry If Im hijacking this thread, its just seems that all the Cabair people are here!!
Cheers
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Skyseeker Not sure whether they want an IR or IMC although you have to admit that it would be a very useful complement to your license (just in case!) whilst instructing.
With regards to part-time etc, they were very helpful and said "how many days do you want to work" which was jolly nice of them. Thus it's probably safe to assume you can take the IR while you instruct.
You'd have to speak to one of the management to find out exact details.
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RC
With regards to part-time etc, they were very helpful and said "how many days do you want to work" which was jolly nice of them. Thus it's probably safe to assume you can take the IR while you instruct.
You'd have to speak to one of the management to find out exact details.
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This thread is very amusing. Not sure who binman is though... initials anyone? Must be after my time at the Kremlin (Cabair HQ).
Was good team morale with all the klmuk instructors. Made the place tick. Sadly those days are over...
Was good team morale with all the klmuk instructors. Made the place tick. Sadly those days are over...
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I remember cabair when it was the london school of flying. i did my cpl gfts there and there was a complete ******** instructor called Brian who was one of the nasiest people i have come across in aviation.
whatunion says, there are some very odd people in the world but why are most of them in aviation?
whatunion says, there are some very odd people in the world but why are most of them in aviation?
Having an IR is of little interest to them now as you can up sticks and leave at anypoint thanks to the pay scheme now in place. Doing you IR is similarly of little interest to them, although they may ask you if you want to take advantage of their fantastic staff discount scheme (if it still exists) and do it at CCAT. Take this option and you will spend a lot more time and money than you need to as "commercial" students take priority. One advantage of holding an IR is that you may get asked to do some more interesting flying further afield by students who cant afford not to get home (otherwise known as cheeky charters 
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An IMC is a definate plus for you as you could instruct in more marginal weather. However I would point out that most of the Cabair airfields are some way from the higher bases of the LTMA and have no form of instrument approach. There is also the question of how much your student gains from flying around in 2.5k viz whilst doing straight and level. Additionally the fleet is not what it once was and only a few of the PPL school aircraft have avionics that meet FM immunity standards.
The removal of the IF restriction is a good point since once all the KLM sponsored cadets have left pretty much only the CFIs will be able to teach applied IF (IMC rating). This will cost you a fair bit and you should balance that cost against potential revenue @£30ph I believe (limited IMHO).
Flying commercially for someone else does affect their insurance in some way and I would imagine that you would then need your own liability insurance.
).An IMC is a definate plus for you as you could instruct in more marginal weather. However I would point out that most of the Cabair airfields are some way from the higher bases of the LTMA and have no form of instrument approach. There is also the question of how much your student gains from flying around in 2.5k viz whilst doing straight and level. Additionally the fleet is not what it once was and only a few of the PPL school aircraft have avionics that meet FM immunity standards.
The removal of the IF restriction is a good point since once all the KLM sponsored cadets have left pretty much only the CFIs will be able to teach applied IF (IMC rating). This will cost you a fair bit and you should balance that cost against potential revenue @£30ph I believe (limited IMHO).
Flying commercially for someone else does affect their insurance in some way and I would imagine that you would then need your own liability insurance.
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I've worked for Cabair for a bit now and the truth about how you are treated is a known fact on joining. The senior management are oblivious to anything other than revenue hours flown. The fact that they have a pool of talented, intelligent and able staff does not mean that they are treated as such.
The local management are interested in thier empires being comfy and care neither about their students and even less about their instructors. Instructors are treated like dirt and expected to have no social life, no time off except when there is bad weather and are treated like criminals when they book holidays.
Saying that the pay is okay for the summer, the hours are good in the summer but come the winter you had better have a partner or parent to support you as 10 -15 hours a month is quite normal and it is clear that 200 per month will not even pay the rent on a caravan much less a mortgage. If your lucky you might make 10k if you literally work your ar*e off.
It is quite true to say that your fellow instructors are a good sort but the fact is true that if someone offered you a job flying rubber dog sh*t out of Hong Kong for 500pcm you would thank them hand over your granny and ring Virgin to book your flight.
So to sum work for them because they may get you in with Flybe which is better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick but don't expect to enjoy work just serve your sentence and leave. as soon as you can. The only reason I turn up is because if I didn't I wouldn't get another hour in my log book. Another hour closer to never having to work there ever again. I have worked in another 3 schools and a variety or other professions and they are without doubt singularly the worst employer on the planet.
Hobson's choice, eh.
The local management are interested in thier empires being comfy and care neither about their students and even less about their instructors. Instructors are treated like dirt and expected to have no social life, no time off except when there is bad weather and are treated like criminals when they book holidays.
Saying that the pay is okay for the summer, the hours are good in the summer but come the winter you had better have a partner or parent to support you as 10 -15 hours a month is quite normal and it is clear that 200 per month will not even pay the rent on a caravan much less a mortgage. If your lucky you might make 10k if you literally work your ar*e off.
It is quite true to say that your fellow instructors are a good sort but the fact is true that if someone offered you a job flying rubber dog sh*t out of Hong Kong for 500pcm you would thank them hand over your granny and ring Virgin to book your flight.
So to sum work for them because they may get you in with Flybe which is better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick but don't expect to enjoy work just serve your sentence and leave. as soon as you can. The only reason I turn up is because if I didn't I wouldn't get another hour in my log book. Another hour closer to never having to work there ever again. I have worked in another 3 schools and a variety or other professions and they are without doubt singularly the worst employer on the planet.
Hobson's choice, eh.
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Vortex - I was there 10 years ago (and I DID live in a caravan). Yeah, Cabair mangement, well, you said it all !
If its any consilation myself and fellow instructors used to sit having a beer after after a manic 12 hour day instructing looking up at a/c in the london holds thinking, 'I wish !' .... We all thought we would end up working in McDonalds, the airline's were in a deep trough and no one was recruiting ....
Now, 10 years on we are ALL working for major flag carriers, some training capt's, some senior FO's on 747's or 777's etc .....
Rest assured, IT IS WORTH THE BULL**** ! YOU WILL GET THERE !
I guarantee in 10 years time you will be moaning about the crew meals or the company SOP's, or your roster flying shiny jets !
Stick with it !!!!
If its any consilation myself and fellow instructors used to sit having a beer after after a manic 12 hour day instructing looking up at a/c in the london holds thinking, 'I wish !' .... We all thought we would end up working in McDonalds, the airline's were in a deep trough and no one was recruiting ....
Now, 10 years on we are ALL working for major flag carriers, some training capt's, some senior FO's on 747's or 777's etc .....
Rest assured, IT IS WORTH THE BULL**** ! YOU WILL GET THERE !
I guarantee in 10 years time you will be moaning about the crew meals or the company SOP's, or your roster flying shiny jets !
Stick with it !!!!
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Having left Cabair fairly recently after working there for 9 months, I would say you should work for Cabair. Everybody who does moves on to bigger and better things. There are no lifers in the PPL schools.
I've worked at 4 other schools and can honestly say I had the best time by far at Cabair. The new pay-as-you-fly deals give you great flexibility for time off and other work. Or, if you want to work hard you can earn 14 000. Everybody there is in the same position and if you remain positive you can make great contacts and friends.
Work on one of the planets on which they haven't discovered the rebel base!
I've worked at 4 other schools and can honestly say I had the best time by far at Cabair. The new pay-as-you-fly deals give you great flexibility for time off and other work. Or, if you want to work hard you can earn 14 000. Everybody there is in the same position and if you remain positive you can make great contacts and friends.
Work on one of the planets on which they haven't discovered the rebel base!
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I used to work for Cabair (about 10 years ago). As someone else has said, the job is what you make it. The base is really important though; some airfields have a significantly better catchment area thus increasing earning potential.
£20 per revenue hour (airborne time + 0.2) for PPL, no retainer. Increments are available for additional ratings eg night, IMC, multi.
Under the new scheme everyone is technically everyone is part-time - you are supposed to decide how often and when you want to come in.
I doubt many would get the 700pa hours to earn 14k, although it is what you make it.
Under the new scheme everyone is technically everyone is part-time - you are supposed to decide how often and when you want to come in.
I doubt many would get the 700pa hours to earn 14k, although it is what you make it.
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One positive aspect of Cabair is that it is an identifiable brand name for employers to recognise, which helps I think. Also, they have more finances available for training aids and less of the "fly-blown" atmosphere in the schools. But as everyone says, it is what you make of it.
