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billynospares 2nd Nov 2012 10:47

http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/...54_7511_n1.jpg
my beautiful old lady at Thule airbase Greenland

Ashleyaircraftfan 3rd Nov 2012 22:40

Great picture! I presume it's 814 as you mentioned that previously.

TheChitterneFlyer 3rd Nov 2012 22:44

Er, XS235 for sure!

Ashleyaircraftfan 3rd Nov 2012 22:52

Ummm....Yes as I've noticed underneath the comet has a flatter pod underneath than the 3 comets used by RAE. XS235 is now at bruningthorpe also.

We forgot about Cobbett hill radio station! I also presume that A&AEE used larkhill range???

billynospares 4th Nov 2012 08:16

XS235 Canopus A&AEE only Comet

Ashleyaircraftfan 4th Nov 2012 09:12

Didn't A&AEE also have a Phantom :)

DaveW 4th Nov 2012 09:48

XT597; it's currently still at Boscombe.

http://www.aviation-picture-hangar.c...7_FG1_aaee.jpg

TheChitterneFlyer 4th Nov 2012 12:56

Here's a slightly different view of Canopus...
http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/a...lyer/Comet.jpg

chevvron 4th Nov 2012 15:15

Easy to distinguish '814; it had a 'Nimrod' style dorsal fillet at the base of the fin.

billynospares 4th Nov 2012 15:49

And 814 was a different colour .

Ashleyaircraftfan 4th Nov 2012 18:25

http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/...JT4/comet3.png
Comet 144 when BLEU had it was still in BOAC livery. 814 later adopted the raspberry ripple scheme but a good pic of all 3 of RAE comets
http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/...CometXV814.jpg
http://http://i1206.photobucket.com/...CometXV814.jpg

chevvron 6th Nov 2012 19:05

'814 lost that belly pack later. The other two Comets were both Bedford based, but in 1974, Farnborough had 3 Comets for a short time; I remember because they all arrived one after the other when the runway was reopened after re-surfacing in July/August of that year. One of them, like 814, was ex DanAir.

green granite 21st Nov 2012 14:59

There were also WE177 high explosive safety trials done at the impact wall on AWRE Orfordness, and we also used the rocket track at RAE Pendine Sands for small diameter high speed parachute trials.

Ashleyaircraftfan 30th Nov 2012 19:04

Wasn't Pendine Sands also P&EE as well? And does anyone remember any info on the site at West Drayton ?


And there was a small RAE naval contingent at Chobham (longcross) working on naval engineering should think testing engines in conjunction with Pyestock.

Mechta 16th Dec 2012 13:26

West Drayton & Cobham
 
I started at RAE Farnborough in 1981, and moved over to Pyestock in 1983 at the start of the third year of my apprenticeship, Pyestock having just become RAE rather than NGTE.

One of the departments in which I did a three month stint was Chemical and Petroleum Testing. This would involve running engines on any fluid used by the MOD (and I mean any) to determine its flammability and lubricating properties.

This department is the one which had previously been at Cobham, (Petroleum Chemistry and Technology Division, Royal Aircraft Establishment, Cobham, Surrey (formerly the Admiralty Oil Laboratory).

Another department was known as 'Diesels', This, I believe is the one which moved from West Drayton, where it had been the Admiralty Engineering Laboratory. We ran endurance testing on Paxman Valenta or 'SSK' diesel engines for submarine generating sets, and the regular stripping down of these 2000 hp,16 cylinder, 210 litre engines was a real sod. I remember trying to push the piston and conrod out with some crummy double pivoted tool which didn't want to stay straight. Other work in this department included testing outboard motors for the Royal Marines 'rigid raider' boats and testing a Ford 1.6 diesel engine driven fire pump (that was great fun, and needless to say, got everyone very wet).

After Pyestock I moved back to Farnbough as a trainee UAV pilot (we called then UMAs (UnManned Aircraft) at the time. I had several trips to Pendine Sands to operate them, although they had been flown at Greenham Common, Larkhill and Suffield in Alberta before I joined that Dept.

A promotion led to a change of Dept and working on night vision goggles and Forward looking Infra Red (FLIR). We did trials in Cyprus ("Mechta, we're doing going to do a trial in Cyprus, how long do you want to go for?" "Cyprus? Permanently, please...")

Later trials took us up to West Freugh ('Wet Through') where we tested the TIALD pod on the Buccaneer in preparation for the first Gulf War. Working at West Freugh involved regular trips in the Navaho Chieftain ferry aircraft, with stops at Boscombe Down, Aberporth, Llanbedr and Warton. The latter had the EAP and a Lightning chase plane on the apron at the time. On one trip into Llanbedr, we had to loiter whilst a Jindivik was recovered, giving us a grandstand view.

I baled out of Farnborough before it became DERA, and from my contact with friends who stayed on, I did the right thing, as many got very depressed watching the decline of the place whilst waiting for redundancy.

I did get a brief spell back working for QinetiQ on the Zephyr solar powered UAV, which was very interesting, working with a very enthusiastic and dedicated team.

With regard to names, many of the older people with whom I worked, had worked with people who would only refer to it as 'The Balloon Factory'.

Ashleyaircraftfan 22nd Dec 2012 21:44


I started at RAE Farnborough in 1981, and moved over to Pyestock in 1983 at the start of the third year of my apprenticeship, Pyestock having just become RAE rather than NGTE.

One of the departments in which I did a three month stint was Chemical and Petroleum Testing. This would involve running engines on any fluid used by the MOD (and I mean any) to determine its flammability and lubricating properties.

This department is the one which had previously been at Cobham, (Petroleum Chemistry and Technology Division, Royal Aircraft Establishment, Cobham, Surrey (formerly the Admiralty Oil Laboratory).

Another department was known as 'Diesels', This, I believe is the one which moved from West Drayton, where it had been the Admiralty Engineering Laboratory. We ran endurance testing on Paxman Valenta or 'SSK' diesel engines for submarine generating sets, and the regular stripping down of these 2000 hp,16 cylinder, 210 litre engines was a real sod. I remember trying to push the piston and conrod out with some crummy double pivoted tool which didn't want to stay straight. Other work in this department included testing outboard motors for the Royal Marines 'rigid raider' boats and testing a Ford 1.6 diesel engine driven fire pump (that was great fun, and needless to say, got everyone very wet).

After Pyestock I moved back to Farnbough as a trainee UAV pilot (we called then UMAs (UnManned Aircraft) at the time. I had several trips to Pendine Sands to operate them, although they had been flown at Greenham Common, Larkhill and Suffield in Alberta before I joined that Dept.

A promotion led to a change of Dept and working on night vision goggles and Forward looking Infra Red (FLIR). We did trials in Cyprus ("Mechta, we're doing going to do a trial in Cyprus, how long do you want to go for?" "Cyprus? Permanently, please...")

Later trials took us up to West Freugh ('Wet Through') where we tested the TIALD pod on the Buccaneer in preparation for the first Gulf War. Working at West Freugh involved regular trips in the Navaho Chieftain ferry aircraft, with stops at Boscombe Down, Aberporth, Llanbedr and Warton. The latter had the EAP and a Lightning chase plane on the apron at the time. On one trip into Llanbedr, we had to loiter whilst a Jindivik was recovered, giving us a grandstand view.

I baled out of Farnborough before it became DERA, and from my contact with friends who stayed on, I did the right thing, as many got very depressed watching the decline of the place whilst waiting for redundancy.

I did get a brief spell back working for QinetiQ on the Zephyr solar powered UAV, which was very interesting, working with a very enthusiastic and dedicated team.

With regard to names, many of the older people with whom I worked, had worked with people who would only refer to it as 'The Balloon Factory'.
This was really interesting to read , thanks for posting it certainly gone around the establishment http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...lies/wink2.gif
When at Chobham did you work on anything else out of interest ? , shame its all going to be bulldozed over to make way for homes.:*

chevvron 23rd Dec 2012 03:16

He said Cobham not Chobham. Chobham was the MVEE site at Longcross which is now to be (possibly) re developed; Cobham is some 6 or so miles further east.

Ashleyaircraftfan 23rd Dec 2012 18:41

yes sorry , cobham . Getting confused :ugh:

Would be intressting to know where abouts in 'Cobham' as the airfiled is Vickers but the establishment site is where? I seem to recall naval engineering was in 'Cobham' :)

Mechta 28th Dec 2012 14:04

It looks as if the Cobham site evolved from Fairmile Marine during the war according to this:

Noel Macklin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

with the oil testing laboratory moving there in 1968 from this:

Emerald | Industrial Lubrication and Tribology | AOL 74: Admiralty Oil Laboratory Comes of Age

I never visited the Cobham site, but did drive past it on a few occasions.

Looking back, I was very fortunate with the variety of departments in which I worked. The move to Pyestock was just the result of lucky timing, whilst the move to UAVs was the result of constant badgering of all and sundry by me. The move to night vision was down to a fellow model flier in the establishment club tipping me off about an as yet un-advertised position being created in a department which did lots of trials work.

Even so, compared to Mechta Senior's variety of work, starting as a Flight Test Observer in Sunderlands to see how hard they could land (alight?) one (until they broke it!), flying in the Comet after they started crashing and before they knew why, a trip to Sudan in an Ashton to test air conditioning, and a spell on HMS Eagle doing noise testing, mine looked a bit tame.

It was a great place to work, and for many of us it was as the song says, "you don't know what you've got till it's gone".

Hobo 23rd Apr 2013 21:33


When at Chobham did you work on anything else out of interest ? , shame its all going to be bulldozed over to make way for homes.
Not necessarily, there's a petition to stop DERA being taken out of the Green belt and being developed, here. Please sign up and spread the word - doesn't matter if you no longer work there or even live in the area.


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